OK, consideration. What if we tell Mami that Kazusa might be hiding something, and Mami just panics and feels worse and clams up?
 
I'm also not sure what the point of trying to sell clear seeds to her over telepathy is? The vote is to go tomorrow regardless, so do we expect a clear seed offer to get them to invite us over immediately?
The idea with bringing up Clear Seeds, I think, is to make her realize that she's not actually doomed and doesn't need to keep up a brave face and refuse help while she's slowly dying.


[X] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
-[X] Verbally: Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
-[X] Telepathically: Make arrangements to meet up as quickly as possible. Tomorrow, or even tonight; in five minutes or less, if necessary. Offer ferry services.
-[X] Explain: Your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.

[X] Post-conversation debrief. Request Cone of Silence.
-[X] Go over possible pitfalls in Asunano, including mind control and/or power stealing. Go over possible counters, that Kirika and Homura working together may be necessary.
-[X] Ask Kirika to make you Anti Magic Enchantments.
-[X] Thank and say goodbye to the Kures.

[X] Ask Homura for a chat.
Sticking with my vote for now, but I'm not particularly happy about it:
If I can suggest a couple additions:

[ ] Keep comforting and encouraging Mami.
[ ] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
-[ ] Verbally: Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
-[ ] Telepathically: Continue the conversation. Make arrangements to meet up as quickly as possible. Tomorrow, or even tonight; in five minutes or less, if necessary. Offer ferry services.
-[ ] Explain: Your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.
[ ] Let Mami and Kazusa spend as much time as they need chatting and reconnecting.

[ ] Post-conversation debrief. Request Cone of Silence.
-[ ] Go over possible pitfalls in Asunano, including mind control and/or power stealing. Go over possible counters, that Kirika and Homura working together may be necessary.
-[ ] Ask Kirika to make you Anti Magic Enchantments.
-[ ] Thank and say goodbye to the Kures.

[ ] Ask Homura for a chat.


OK, consideration. What if we tell Mami that Kazusa might be hiding something, and Mami just panics and feels worse and clams up?
We hug the living daylights out of her, that's what!
 
...nope. Still bothered by the knee jerk emergency trip offer. We have no evidence or canonical evidence Kazusa's situation requires immediate intervention. Why can't we just meet her tomorrow like we were planning to?
 
I'm now worrying about Mami's reaction to telling her Kazusa might be in trouble. Mami's doing bad enough as it is.

Let's go with Mami's suggestion, be a little pushy, and try and wrap up.

[X] Comfort Mami.
[X] Ask Kazusa if she's available tomorrow. We'll pick her up during school time and bring her over. Figure out a time and place to meet up.

[X] Once you're done with Kazusa, bring back the Privacy Bubble.
[X] Tell them about you bringing Kazusa over, and then properly visiting Asunaro later on.
-[X] Explain Hijiri's mind/memory magics and push for Kirika (and Oriko) to accompany you to help counter that.
-[X] Mami is going by default.

[X] Say goodbye to the Kures.
[X] Ask Homura to have that chat, in private.

I know whether to bring the Kures or not is something we're divided on, but general idea? We might have spent too many updates on this, and Mami's doing badly enough we shound't keep poking the Kazusa in front of her, so let's try and wrap up. There's things we need to talk with mom.
 
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If I can suggest a couple additions:
I figure those are all automatic actions, and would just clutter the vote. Like I said, Brinapilot's pretty good these days.
...nope. Still bothered by the knee jerk emergency trip offer. We have no evidence or canonical evidence Kazusa's situation requires immediate intervention. Why can't we just meet her tomorrow like we were planning to?
Because they're not talking tomorrow; they're talking "sometime":

"Yeah, we're actually planning a trip sometime, if that works for you?"

"Oh, that would be wonderful," Michiru says. "I now know how hard it is to leave your city behind, though! Maybe I could come over instead? I'll bring Umika and Kaoru with me!"
With Michiru maybe-possibly spiraling right now, or at least getting very close, an all-too-likely possibility given that she is showing signs of hidden distress when her Wish power is to be able to cover up such signs, she may no longer be in the right mindset to seek out a cleanse in a timely manner. Remember how often we had to remind Mami to cleanse her Gem when she was feeling down?
 
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[X] Comfort Mami.
[X] Ask Kazusa if she's available tomorrow. We'll pick her up during school time and bring her over. Figure out a time and place to meet up.

[X] Once you're done with Kazusa, bring back the Privacy Bubble.
[X] Tell them about you bringing Kazusa over, and then properly visiting Asunaro later on.
-[X] Explain Hijiri's mind/memory magics and push for Kirika (and Oriko) to accompany you to help counter that.
-[X] Mami is going by default.

[X] Say goodbye to the Kures.
[X] Ask Homura to have that chat, in private.
Hm. Okay, you're right, we probably don't need to directly confront Kazusa, just be pushy about going over tomorrow. I still like bringing up refreshing / Clearing Seeds, though, and comforting Mami is an automatic action, so:

[X] Ask Kazusa if she's available tomorrow. We'll pick her up during school time and bring her over. Figure out a time and place to meet up. Don't take no for an answer; it's no trouble and you don't have anything better to do anyway.
-[X] Explain your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.


[X] Once you're done with Kazusa, bring back the Privacy Bubble.
[X] Tell them about you bringing Kazusa over, and then properly visiting Asunaro later on.
-[X] Explain Hijiri's mind/memory magics and push for Kirika (and Oriko) to accompany you to help counter that.
-[X] Mami is going by default.

[X] Say goodbye to the Kures.
[X] Ask Homura to have that chat, in private.
 
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...nope. Still bothered by the knee jerk emergency trip offer. We have no evidence or canonical evidence Kazusa's situation requires immediate intervention. Why can't we just meet her tomorrow like we were planning to?
We have a couple spots where she suspiciously skipped over details. Backed up by this:
To answer this seriously, Michiru wished for her grandmother to wake up and act perfectly fine with her last day of life, without actually changing her fate or health. Essentially, magic that hide a problem and ignores it without stopping it.

So it's totally within the character of her wish for Michiru to be grief-spiraling and show no outward signs of any kind, and perhaps not even have internal changes in her mood or personality, until the exact last moment.
I think that this is a "better safe than sorry" situation. Especially because Mami's on the line.


[x] Something feels suspicious, and you're not going to take changes with Mami's friends.
[x] Get on a private line and make sure Kazusa isn't about to martyr herself in the name of politeness.
 
We have a couple spots where she suspiciously skipped over details. Backed up by this:

I think that this is a "better safe than sorry" situation. Especially because Mami's on the line.


[x] Something feels suspicious, and you're not going to take changes with Mami's friends.
[x] Get on a private line and make sure Kazusa isn't about to martyr herself in the name of politeness.

She's also fully intent on visiting us and wants to see Mitakihara. Her situation is bad, but not emergency trip levels of urgent.
 
Maybe hearing about Clear Seeds will serve as a Hope boost? >_>

I could go for talking to Kazusa privately, though Mami would worry more.
 
She's also fully intent on visiting us and wants to see Mitakihara. Her situation is bad, but not emergency trip levels of urgent.
Except we have information saying that she will flat-out ignore horrifying situations right up to the point where they kill the people around her. Having known people like that in person, she could easily be politely making plans for tomorrow to politely solve the problem that is going to result in her witching out thirty seconds after we get off the phone. Her plans are not acceptable evidence.
I could go for talking to Kazusa privately, though Mami would worry more.
We can multiplex. Maybe something like this?

[] Help Mami finish the conversation up.
[] Once conversation is over, quietly keep Kazusa on the line and make sure etc.
 
Thought: While arranging meeting time and place, make Kazusa promise to be there?

See if she hesitates or not. Whether she avoids, or compromises easily.

Whether she's sure she can make it, or not.


Confronting her directly will either need to be made in front of Mami, or in private; either way, Mami's worse off.
 
Except we have information saying that she will flat-out ignore horrifying situations right up to the point where they kill the people around her. Having known people like that in person, she could easily be politely making plans for tomorrow to politely solve the problem that is going to result in her witching out thirty seconds after we get off the phone. Her plans are not acceptable evidence.

We can multiplex. Maybe something like this?

[] Help Mami finish the conversation up.
[] Once conversation is over, quietly keep Kazusa on the line and make sure etc.

Are you suggesting that Kazusa would witch out earlier then her actual canon witchout?
 
Are you suggesting that Kazusa would witch out earlier then her actual canon witchout?
Canon PMKM went out the window a long time ago, especially now that's stuck our fingers in it. And from what I can see, she's absolutely heading for a witch-out. So yes, that is what I'm suggesting.
Thought: While arranging meeting time and place, make Kazusa promise to be there?

See if she hesitates or not. Whether she avoids, or compromises easily.

Whether she's sure she can make it, or not.
That'd work.
 
[X] Ask Kazusa if she's available tomorrow. We'll pick her up during school time and bring her over. Figure out a time and place to meet up. Insist. Make Kazusa promise to be there.
-[X] Briefly explain Clear Seeds. Let Mami talk with Kazusa as long as she needs before saying goodbye.

[X] Once you're done with Kazusa, bring back the Privacy Bubble.
[X] Tell them about you bringing Kazusa over, and then properly visiting Asunaro later on.
-[X] Explain Hijiri's mind/memory magics and push for Kirika (and Oriko) to accompany you to help counter that.
-[X] Mami is going by default.

[X] Say goodbye to the Kures.
[X] Ask Homura to have that chat, in private.

If we detect Kazusa hesitating on that promise, we can ask Homura to timestop (which she would for the chat anyway) and talk while we fly to Asunaro to track down and cleanse the hell out of Kazusa.
 
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Compare Ono's Schrödinger ability [SCHRÖNODINGER], the ability to be both alive and witched until obeserved, with Kazusa right now.

We broke into Ono's house because we had clear hints that she was grief spiralling.

Kazusa won't give us clear hints.

...

..

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Kazusa you beautiful cinammon roll, too good and pure and self sacrificing for this world. You make us worry.

[Q] Give Hildegarde to Kirika.
-[Q] Kirikannon Delivery Service. Target: Michiru Kazusa, Asunaro. To deliver: A Clean Seed.
--[Q] Realize you have no way to get Kirika back.
---[Q] Orikannon Delivery Service. Target: Kirika Kure, Asunaro. To deliver: Oriko.
 
Except we have information saying that she will flat-out ignore horrifying situations right up to the point where they kill the people around her. Having known people like that in person, she could easily be politely making plans for tomorrow to politely solve the problem that is going to result in her witching out thirty seconds after we get off the phone. Her plans are not acceptable evidence.
If you're that worried, then play it cool, get off the line with Kazusa, say goodbye to everyone, then the moment we get Homura in timestop we make a quick jaunt over to Asunano and buzz the city looking for Soul Gems to clean.

The thing is, it seems kind of, I dunno, metagame-y, to think that Kazusa is literally going to Witch out tonight. I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise, but I'm not seeing it as likely that we have to immediately timestop and travel over to her house for an emergency cleanse like that. I sure as heck am seeing warning signs of future trouble, but nothing on that level. Do you have a different take?
 
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