Would it be OK to...

[X] Ask for a minute in private with Kazusa.
-[X] Once Mami can't hear, tell Kazuksa she's really worrying you right now: Avoiding your questions, supporting such a large group? Mami's really happy that Kazusa still thinks of her as a friend; we don't want to agree to meet up tomorrow only to find Kazusa died tonight because she wouldn't ask for help.
-[X] We can be at Asunaro within the hour. Within the minute, if needed. Can Kazusa honestly tell us she's doing fine, that her Soul Gem is not dangerously tarnished right now?
-[X] Plead with Kazusa to be honest with you.

[X] Put Mami back online.
[X] Explain Clear Seeds.
[X] Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.

[:V] Take a cookie. Feed it to Mami.
Mmm... Better idea, actually.

[ ] Take a cookie. Give it to Mami. Have Mami feed you the cookie.
 
Maybe she was afraid Sayaka might try to powercopy her, and then she would be as strong as Soulguca is!

And so Soulguca cast Sayaka forth from the garden of Eden, and placed a sword of flame at the entrance which pointed every which way...
 
Maybe she was afraid Sayaka might try to powercopy her, and then she would be as strong as Soulguca is!

And so Soulguca cast Sayaka forth from the garden of Eden, and placed a sword of flame at the entrance which pointed every which way...
Wielded by the Archguca Mikiel, who she instructed to...

Wait. Uh...this parallel is collapsing.
 
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  • [X] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
    -[X] Verbally: Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
    -[X] Telepathically: Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
    -[X] Explain: Your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.
    [X] Post-conversation debrief. Request Cone of Silence.
    -[X] Go over possible pitfalls in Asunano, including mind control and/or power stealing. Go over possible counters, that Kirika and Homura working together may be necessary.
    -[X] Ask Kirika to make you Anti Magic Enchantments.
    -[X] Thank and say goodbye to the Kures.
    [X] Ask Homura for a chat.
    [X] Keep gently guiding Mami and reassuring her.
    -[X] Quietly ask Mami how she deals with Michiru when she's hiding her troubles
    [X] Segue from magical girl hardships into clear seeds
    - [X] We have plenty of prototypes but need testers. Note risks and benefits if she's interested.
    - [X] Clear seeds have absolutely almonds capacity, and that has political implications.
    [X] Try to touch on Asunaro meguca politics a bit. Especially old friends. Don't push.
    [X] Tell the assembled group and Sayaka that Kazuza is willing to come to Mitakihara.
    -[X] See if they have questions or concerns, offer to introduce everyone.
    -[X] Raincheck Sayaka conversation.
    [X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. If it wouldn't be too much imposition?
    -[X] Schedule the pickup at a convenient time for her and Mami.
    [X] Keep the conversation going, but try and end it on a high note.
    [x] They must be working on something pretty important to need multiple girls full-time.
    [X] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
    -[X] Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
    -[X] Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
    -[x] Keep trying to let Mami take the lead.
    [x] And now I'm worried about you Kazusa, you didn't answer about how hunting is, you're worried about Mitakihara being able to support seven girls when your group is seven girls, and you're apparently so busy hunting you don't have time for school. I can be over in an hour to refresh your gems and grief seeds.
    [X] Ask for a minute in private with Kazusa.
    -[X] Once Mami can't hear, tell Kazuksa she's really worrying you right now: Avoiding your questions, supporting such a large group? Mami's really happy that Kazusa still thinks of her as a friend; we don't want to agree to meet up tomorrow only to find Kazusa died tonight because she wouldn't ask for help.
    -[X] We can be at Asunaro within the hour. Within the minute, if needed. Can Kazusa honestly tell us she's doing fine, that her Soul Gem is not dangerously tarnished right now?
    -[X] Plead with Kazusa to be honest with you.
    [X] Put Mami back online.
    [X] Explain Clear Seeds.
    -[X] Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
 
Keep in mind in that Soulguca kills Sayaka scenario that Oriko there was guessing at the number of weeks range away, (which, yes, could mean she knew the day but not the date) It could absolutely be that, but I wouldn't treat it as an exact moment.
 
[X] Keep gently guiding Mami and reassuring her.
-[X] Quietly ask Mami how she deals with Michiru when she's hiding her troubles

[X] Segue from magical girl hardships into clear seeds
- [X] We have plenty of prototypes but need testers. Note risks and benefits if she's interested.
- [X] Clear seeds have absolutely almonds capacity, and that has political implications.

[X] Try to touch on Asunaro meguca politics a bit. Especially old friends. Don't push.

[X] Tell the assembled group and Sayaka that Kazuza is willing to come to Mitakihara.
-[X] See if they have questions or concerns, offer to introduce everyone.
-[X] Raincheck Sayaka conversation.

[X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. If it wouldn't be too much imposition?
-[X] Schedule the pickup at a convenient time for her and Mami.

[X] Keep the conversation going, but try and end it on a high note.

I might refine it a bit more tonight and try for a compromise, but for now Phoenixian's vote seems the best of the existing ones.
 
So, if Oriko is playing the long game and is only pretending to work with us while still keeping vital information away, but only the information that would worst hurt us not to have at a critical moment in the future, then she's doing a good job of it and is probably going to win. I mean, beyond her word we don't really have any proof of feathers' existance, and we can't confirm that her visions change when we act...

And Firn will be giggling to himself while stroking a white hairy cat, because he did tell us in the beginning that Oriko was going to be the enemy for the campaign...
 
So, if Oriko is playing the long game and is only pretending to work with us while still keeping vital information away, but only the information that would worst hurt us not to have at a critical moment in the future, then she's doing a good job of it and is probably going to win. I mean, beyond her word we don't really have any proof of feathers' existance, and we can't confirm that her visions change when we act...

And Firn will be giggling to himself while stroking a white hairy cat, because he did tell us in the beginning that Oriko was going to be the enemy for the campaign...
[:V] Check if Oriko is wearing the anti pain ring on her foot.

*pictures Oriko with a white cat*

:V
Why a cat when she's got a Kirika to pet?
 
The Iowa group?

Well, there's Jackie, of course. No-one knows what she wished for, not even those in her motley group who have the dubious honor of being her 'friends'. For whatever reason, the topic just never comes up - and you might think that's because of who she is and how she interacts with people, but no, she's not that scary. It's been several years since the last time she had to cut a team-mate in half from crown to crotch without bothering to shatter their Soul Gem; these days, she saves the excessive violence and dismemberment for the people who are too smart to listen to her talk.



And we can't forget Willow. She was just so tired, you know? Why was it that no-one would adopt her? What was wrong with her? Was she too old? Too ugly? Too much of a fuck-up? Even her mother had thought she was unlovable, obviously, or else she wouldn't have been left at the orphanage. Sometimes she wished that her mother was actually dead, because it would mean the woman hadn't actually wanted to abandon her - but wishes weren't real.

Except that wishes were real, as it turned out, but even when the Incubator came to contract with her, she couldn't find it in her to reinvent her mother as a good parent. She just wanted someone to take her away from the orphanage, and protect her, and tuck her into her own bed in her own bedroom and read her bedtime stories and give her enough to eat. But maybe - even if she wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't put it into words - maybe she also wanted to be better, maybe she wanted to be the kind of girl who would be adopted by a real person, and loved genuinely, maybe she wanted to be the kind of girl who wasn't an ugly fuckup who could never do anything right-

So her unreal older sister Siobhan came to the orphanage to try to adopt her. But she wasn't much older than Willow in body, and someone like Jack knew that Siobhan was only a few minutes old when she came for Willow, or maybe she was exactly as old as Willow was; all a matter of perspective. The matron certainly didn't know, but she could guess. She laughed Siobhan off, and told the girl to get knocked up if you want to be a teenage mother, like everyone else in this city-

Was it any surprise what happened next?

The funny thing is, Willow started out well-centered. She just had Siobhan to take her hand and guide her through Barriers and through the world. But it's almost easier for Willow to project Siobhan's pale shape than it is for her to keep her real body taken care of, even magically speaking. It had always been easier. What was the last time Willow bothered to take her own body with her, instead of leaving it in one of Riley's preservatives? Letting Siobhan carry her Soul Gem about is simple and elegant. She looks at the world through Siobhan's yellow eyes at all hours. She lives through Siobhan's form; she pretends she still needs to breathe, pumping Siobhan's lungs. It's almost like she is Siobhan.



As for Riley? Surely you can guess. It was such a sad story, perfect fodder for the gossipy nurses during the break in the middle of their grueling shifts at the hospital. That poor woman, wasting away. That poor girl, who has to watch it happen. It was such a sad story, perfect fodder for the Incubator to seize upon, a nice high-potential recruit with almost no effort whatsoever. Riley wished that she could make her mother better, and she did make her mother better. And then she did it again, and again, and again, and again, but the enchantments never stuck for long, and then the enchantments weren't enough, all because the sick was just too deep, and because she had the ability but not the skill. And then at the end of it all... well.

What was a girl to do? When you don't get what you want - when you fundamentally can't get what you want - you can suffer, or you can learn to stop wanting.

She never needed to interfere with her soul directly, but what did that matter when she could sculpt bodies like clay? A Soul Gem was just another kind of brain to shape, after all, and it was trivial to box up her Witch inside the gemstone, where it could never get out. It made such a din in her head, putting up protest, crying and screaming, what is oh my god what are you let me go i didn't want this please stop please i just wanted please please PLEASE-

She couldn't find it in her to bother to be nice. She cut out its tongue so it couldn't shape telepathy, and sewed its lips shut so it couldn't wail in the back of her mind, and then she nailed it down to the metaphorical backboard of her Gem. The senseless and helpless thrashing of the thing is so perverse it's beautiful. She's caught loveliness in a dry bottle, like her mother's old habit of putting pins through butterflies to hang their corpses on walls.

Her dumb team-mates don't think it's nearly as amazing as she does. Even Jack and Siobhan, who do dote on her so, seem to take in her enthusiasm with a kind of condescension. And Jack is quick to confine the burning spark of her creativity, even if she feeds that fire with all of the kindling she can scrounge up. Most of the others can't bear to look Riley in the eyes. But at least they all appreciate her boring healing magic and her normal enchantments, every last one of them but Natalie.



Natalie... where to begin? Natalie wanted not to feel like a monster. Her therapist always told her that she had to be able to love herself. Why would she not? She was so very much the kind of person that many would envy - which was sort of a part of the problem, because Natalie was a creature of craven envy herself. She wanted what came so effortlessly to others, and others wanted what came so effortlessly to her.

So she looked in the mirror and she - what? What did she see? It was like staring at some foreign, distant, lost thing. She was looking at something that looked like a monster, but it was what people saw when they looked her in the eyes. She wanted to get rid of the monster. She wanted to kill it. She wanted to kill the silhouette, the absolute border and shape of her sadness, but she couldn't even imagine how it could be done. The monster wasn't even quite real; it was there in her bones, but it was as much a shadow of being meted as it was a corporeal thing. There were boundaries and markings and divisions, and those measures and meters couldn't be defeated or escaped by any means that she could think of. Maybe they were all in her head.

She wished to transmute her boundaries. She wished to be able to change the shape of her sadness, her heartbreak and dim nostalgia, until it was all something bearable. She knew that some people in her life expected her to be a monster, and she left room for that. But she also knew that once she had experienced life in the world in a way that she could bear, it would be so much harder to go back to being a monster; it would always be easier to be something else.

And perhaps that was why her wish and her magic took the poisonous form that it did. It was easier to be whole, and so that was who she was, in the baseness of her flesh. And just as it was always so much harder for anyone to Transform and don her raiment, it was always so much harder for Natalie to Transform, because the monster followed her in subtle ways. Her raiment would be shredded time and time again only to be sickly restored, a hideous tatterdemalion that grew stronger and stronger and stronger until it eclipsed her own magic, until it eclipsed her own body, until she might as well have been the monster again, until she was more of an alien monster than she had ever been. A screaming itch, the scarred and raw nerve of her private obsession.



Natalie and Nicole and weren't anywhere close to being normal recruits as Magical Girls, albeit for different reasons. Nicole, perhaps, felt too old, even though most people would say she was all too young... and even if she felt old, she still felt like she had never grown up. How had she gotten here? What was she doing? Something inside of her had been beaten into shape and cauterized, and maybe it was because something had been done to her, or maybe it was because she was just of the wrong shape to fit in the world without the touch of hammer and anvil. She was pig iron, and there wasn't a fire in the world that could make her into ore again, or purify her into steel.

It was the perfect opportunity she had been given by the Incubator, worth the price of her soul. To grow up again, for as long as it would take in order to get it right. But what would that even mean, getting it right? What would it mean for her to grow up? She wanted the feeling of being-an-adult, of riding on top of a wave and being in control of her life and her self, she wanted not to be dragged away under riptide and not to have her body dashed against the rocks. But that feeling - if it isn't just a lie to children - will never come to her, not by her mere living, and so she hasn't aged a day since the day she made her Wish and became twelve again.

What she wants is a future she will never experience, and she wanted to be a child in a way that maybe she never really was to begin with, looking for a gray ghost, the color of anemoia. She fears the riptide in the wake of time, but even her team-mates fear that riptide more than she does, because they know that they could drown for a very long time.

Nicole always says they could drown until the end of all things, and only Jack ever dares to refute her.
This was far more awesome than anything I could have ever expected.
So, first Jack Slash, then Siberian, then Bonesaw, then Crawler? and finally Grey Boy? Correct me on those last two if I'm wrong.
 
Isn't it kind of hard to care about having others' forgiveness if you're grief-spiraling, dead, or worse?

Our hypothesis for why she hid her grief levels from the Pleiades in canon is what, again?

To answer this seriously, Michiru wished for her grandmother to wake up and act perfectly fine with her last day of life, without actually changing her fate or health. Essentially, magic that hide a problem and ignores it without stopping it.

So it's totally within the character of her wish for Michiru to be grief-spiraling and show no outward signs of any kind, and perhaps not even have internal changes in her mood or personality, until the exact last moment.
 
So right now the leading plan is:
[X] Keep gently guiding Mami and reassuring her.
-[X] Quietly ask Mami how she deals with Michiru when she's hiding her troubles

[X] Segue from magical girl hardships into clear seeds
- [X] We have plenty of prototypes but need testers. Note risks and benefits if she's interested.
- [X] Clear seeds have absolutely almonds capacity, and that has political implications.

[X] Try to touch on Asunaro meguca politics a bit. Especially old friends. Don't push.

[X] Tell the assembled group and Sayaka that Kazuza is willing to come to Mitakihara.
-[X] See if they have questions or concerns, offer to introduce everyone.
-[X] Raincheck Sayaka conversation.

[X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. If it wouldn't be too much imposition?
-[X] Schedule the pickup at a convenient time for her and Mami.

[X] Keep the conversation going, but try and end it on a high note.
Okay, so first off I'm not sure this plan is blunt enough to get through Michiru's layer of denial, which we know can be serious enough that she can and will Witch out before ever admitting to her best friends that there is a problem. We're sort of playing into her game here, letting her deny there's anything wrong even if there very much could be by being vague and non-confrontational. If we don't cut to the heart of the matter, then it's almost certain that she will deflect and deny in order to spare her friends and sempai any grief. It's uncomfortable, but there are lives on the line here, and that's more important than being super-polite.

There's also a lot of random vote cruft and cloudcuckoolander stuff going on here. What the heck is "absolutely almonds" supposed to mean (hint: I know what it means in context of the thread, but haven't we learned our lessons about tossing random in-jokes into votes yet)? Why are we pulling Sayaka into the conversation, and then immediately ejecting her again; isn't that even more rude than just brain-mailing her up after everything's decided?

Sticking with my vote for now, but I'm not particularly happy about it:
[X] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
-[X] Verbally: Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
-[X] Telepathically: Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
-[X] Explain: Your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.

[X] Post-conversation debrief. Request Cone of Silence.
-[X] Go over possible pitfalls in Asunano, including mind control and/or power stealing. Go over possible counters, that Kirika and Homura working together may be necessary.
-[X] Ask Kirika to make you Anti Magic Enchantments.
-[X] Thank and say goodbye to the Kures.

[X] Ask Homura for a chat.
It at least provides enough forward guidance if Firn wants to write a longer update, and ever since the latest vote reforms Brinapilot has been good for handling the small stuff.
 
I find your vote to be insufficiently urgent. "Whenever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible" could mean a lot of things. "Tomorrow" is much better. The rest of those issues are, well, issues.

I'm also not sure what the point of trying to sell clear seeds to her over telepathy is? The vote is to go tomorrow regardless, so do we expect a clear seed offer to get them to invite us over immediately?
 
I find your vote to be insufficiently urgent. "Whenever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible" could mean a lot of things. "Tomorrow" is much better. The rest of those issues are, well, issues.
You're right, I am being euphemistic rather than direct in that line. The intent was to say something more along the lines of:

[X] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
-[X] Verbally: Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
-[X] Telepathically: Make arrangements to meet up as quickly as possible. Tomorrow, or even tonight; in five minutes or less, if necessary. Offer ferry services.
-[X] Explain: Your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.

[X] Post-conversation debrief. Request Cone of Silence.
-[X] Go over possible pitfalls in Asunano, including mind control and/or power stealing. Go over possible counters, that Kirika and Homura working together may be necessary.
-[X] Ask Kirika to make you Anti Magic Enchantments.
-[X] Thank and say goodbye to the Kures.

[X] Ask Homura for a chat.

I'm also not sure what the point of trying to sell clear seeds to her over telepathy is? The vote is to go tomorrow regardless, so do we expect a clear seed offer to get them to invite us over immediately?
Well, first off is to get her to bring along any nearly-full Grief Seeds the Saints have, so they can be Cleared rather than given to Kyubey. Not one more soul should go to the bunnycat while we have anything to say about it. Mentioning that Clear Seeds are in beta and we want more testers makes the Saints look less like charity cases and more like beta-testers, which I'm sure they'll appreciate.

But more than that, the point of talking about Clear Seeds is to emphasize the magnitude of what we're offering. If my reading of the situation is right, Michiru is currently in a downward spiral, putting off cleansing her own Gem so that her friends can continue cleansing theirs with their limited supplies. But, if we tell her things like: "Don't throw away your used Seeds; we can recycle them." "We can turn a single Grief Seed into a battery that will last your whole group for over a decade of hard use." Saying that we can clear a Soul Gem will feed the girl for a day; saying that we can Clear a Seed means we can feed her whole family for life and permanently change the dynamic of cleansing forever; with that on the table she should be less thinking of avoiding despair and start feeling hope, and that's worth a lot for someone who thinks their situation is permanently screwed.
 
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