So anyway, I did some OOM estimates of the Iowa groups killcount.

If Nadia considers them to be one of the three worst global groups to tell us about, then it's safe to say they've been around for a while. Minimum of one year, maximum of six or so.

As for frequency of raiding, that can be estimated by grief seed usage. Let's start with groups size. 15 girls is a likely lower bound on the Iowa groups size, given they reliably take out cities, which as we've seen sustain ~10 girls on average. This is well below the 3:1 ratio recommended in military tactics to overcome a defender's natural advantage, and so can be said to already factor in possibility of the Iowa groups containing unusually experienced or powerful magical girls.

Akiko had a grief seed stash of ~100 grief seeds built up, and while that was likely unusually large due to her neurosis, the favor trading she did with the seeds on short notice (especially the Fukushima girls "usual rate") points to such stashes not being uncommon in well established cities.

Let's say the Iowa groups average haul is about half of that, since they'd specifically target "wealthy" cities, but Akiko's hoarding is unusual even in that paradigm. Given that Mami told us that a single grief seed lasts a single magical girl around two weeks if they don't use magic, that means that Iowa would have to raid a absolute minimum of 8 cities a year... if taking over a city costed no grief. Obviously, this is quite unlikely, so a more realistic expectation is at least nine raids a year, and potentially more than twice that.

As such, if half the defending magical girls successfully surrender on average, and the meguca population of the cities the Iowa group hits remains at around 10 on average, they would still be responsible for at absolute minimum around ~50 directly caused deaths per year, plus significantly more in deaths due to starvation and civilian casualties.

Obviously, a huge number of factors will shift this number in either direction. On the one hand, the Iowa group likely hunts witches in the cities they take over. On the other hand, cities will likely use up their grief seed reserves on the defence, to cleanse directly or to hire allies like Akiko did. And so on and so forth.

That said, as an OOM estimate, it's safe to say that the Iowa groups direct bodycount is somewhere in the 100-1000 range.
 
As a nickname, "Kyuubey" is distinctly Japanese. We know that what he's called varies worldwide, such as being called "Cube" by French magical girls, so my take is that "Inky" is his nickname in some English speaking regions.

...that's actually really interesting, now that I think about it. "Kyuubey" is very Japanese, but "Incubator" is very English. Is "Incubator" a cognate (or a false cognate, or a loanword...) across English, French, and Japanese?
 
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Mami wilts, expression shattering. Of course, Michiru having a team is indirectly Mami's fault. And talking about a team wasn't ever going to be not a touchy subject, with how lonely Mami was, but... more magical girls that are her doing, more magical girls consigned to having their Souls ripped out to fight an endless war for their survivals.

Fuck that.

Counterpoint: Michiru's teammates are largely better off now than they were (source?) and we'll keep them OK.

It gives Mami some time to mentally prepare and she won't have to deal with all seven of them at once.

You. I like you.

"Maybe... maybe you could come over first? And then we travel to Asunaro after that?

We should offer to provide transport.

Overall I'm pretty pleased with how this conversation has gone.
 
We should look for info on the Iowa's group's loses.

We'll want to know which groups managed to repel them and how.

Through IRC, or something...?


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I think you mean the losses the Iowa group has inflicted?

Anyway, based on what we currently know, I'm in favor of using lethal force. With a group that large, experienced, ruthless, prone to killing, and egregiously amoral, we shouldn't risk holding back. Of course, my opinion might change with new information, but it does pay to make explicit examples of the boogeymen of the meguca world to deter new ones from forming.
 
I think you mean the losses the Iowa group has inflicted?
He could mean the turnover rate that the Iowa group experiences.
For example, in Worm, the homicidally insane villain group called the Slaughterhouse Nine has most of its members die typically within a few months of joining. (The problem is the core few who last years.)
 
He could mean the turnover rate that the Iowa group experiences.
For example, in Worm, the homicidally insane villain group called the Slaughterhouse Nine has most of its members die typically within a few months of joining. (The problem is the core few who last years.)
Look, I doubt the Iowa groups always wins.

That'd be beyond silly.

Some groups must have been able to fight them off. The Iowa group wouldn't exist today without some good gottagofast skills.

That or, well, precog. Only fight the fights you will win and all that.
 
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With the amount of utterly bullshit and bizarre powers some magical girls have, sooner or later any group will meet someone they just can't beat or maybe someone makes a desperate wish for their group to disappear, causing infighting etc.

While these groups are probably dangerous, or Nadia wouldn't have told us about them, I doubt there's too many groups of overpowered magical girls like in Mitakihara. Depending on when they show up a sizable portion of Japan could have already been united under the flag of the White Ribbon Alliance helping each other against any hostile magical girls that are in dire need of befriending.
 
Further continued revision and vote opening consolidation:

[X] Keep gently guiding Mami and reassuring her.
-[X] Quietly ask Mami how she deals with Michiru when she's hiding her troubles

[X] Segue from magical girl hardships into clear seeds
- [X] We have plenty of prototypes but need testers. Note risks and benefits if she's interested.
- [X] Clear seeds have absolutely almonds capacity, and that has political implications.

[X] Try to touch on Asunaro meguca politics a bit. Especially old friends. Don't push.

[X] Tell the assembled group and Sayaka that Kazuza is willing to come to Mitakihara.
-[X] See if they have questions or concerns, offer to introduce everyone.
-[X] Raincheck Sayaka conversation.

[X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. If it wouldn't be too much imposition?
-[X] Schedule the pickup at a convenient time for her and Mami.

[X] Keep the conversation going, but try and end it on a high note.

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Vote notes and thoughts:

Block one: Advice for dealing with Mami's issues is welcome. My thoughts here are 1: Try to show her how much she's helping (not sure how well I've done that) and 2: Getting to her to focus on solving the problem that is Kazusa being too secretive for her own good. I'll bring up that I've been wondering whether or not we can bring up how Mami deals with Kazusa after we start introducing our friends to Kazusa, to free up a moment.

Block two: Hey it was you guys who suggested "almonds" instead of "nuts", resulting shenanigans are on you. :p More seriously, thinking risks and benefits should really be gauged in accordance with conversation. "political implications" means both risk of raids if knowledge of clear seeds becomes public and ability to help other girls in the city, whether directly, or just via reduced grief seed use causing stockpile buildup.

Block three: By "old friends" I mean Asuka Yuuri of course. This will probably have to be done extremely softly in the event that Yuuri witched and Michiru feels guilty. May need revamping.

Block Four: You've all heard my thoughts on getting in touch with Sayaka by now: Needs to be done, this is a good chance to schedule it. Beyond that, changed "Homura & Sayaka" to "everyone" as I expect Homura, Oriko, and Kirika can sort out between themselves whether they want the Kures to be in on this conversation.

Block Five and Six: No major changes, just shortening. Feel free to bring up if you think something was lost in translation.
 
[ ] Be at little more pushy.
[ ] Quietly ask Mami if she thinks Kazusa might be in trouble, and hiding it.
[ ] Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
-[ ] Explain: Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one.

[ ] Comfort Mami. All the comfort. All of it.

[ ] Ask Kirika to make you Anti Magic Enchantments.
[ ] Thank and say goodbye to the Kures.

[ ] Ask Homura for a chat.

Details, details, Sabrina can deal with details?
I'll vote for, if not exactly this, then something very much like it. We don't need to be fancy, we really definitely don't need to bother Sayaka, we just need to vote for "You think that she's hiding how bad the situation really is. Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.".

Of more concern is Mami's reaction to Kazusa having dropped out of school. That's a direct problem for her; she feels like introducing Kazusa and friends to megucaing was a mistake and it's undermining her self-confidence. So we need to dispel that belief somehow. Anyone have any concrete ideas? Something about "you must have something really important to work on if you have seven girls working on it full-time"?
 
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I'll vote for, if not exactly this, then something very much like it. We don't need to be fancy, we really definitely don't need to bother Sayaka, we just need to vote for "You think that she's hiding how bad the situation really is. Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.".
That's a really good idea:

[X] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
-[X] Verbally: Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
-[X] Telepathically: Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
-[X] Explain: Your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.

[X] Post-conversation debrief. Request Cone of Silence.
-[X] Go over possible pitfalls in Asunano, including mind control and/or power stealing. Go over possible counters, that Kirika and Homura working together may be necessary.
-[X] Ask Kirika to make you Anti Magic Enchantments.
-[X] Thank and say goodbye to the Kures.

[X] Ask Homura for a chat.
 
Of more concern is Mami's reaction to Kazusa having dropped out of school. That's a direct problem for her; she feels like introducing Kazusa and friends to megucaing was a mistake and it's undermining her self-confidence. So we need to dispel that belief somehow. Anyone have any concrete ideas? Something about "you must have something really important to work on if you have seven girls working on it full-time"?
Three things we can do: Firstly, it may be worth pointing out that as far as we can tell, Michiru and the Saints would have all contracted regardless. In which case Mami wasn't the one who forced this destiny on them, she gave them some of what they needed to be safe. Problem with this is that pointing it out outside of a privacy field would require quite a bit of care.

The second option, and the one that popped in my head first, is part of why I wanted to segue to clear seeds:

I expect that a lot of magical girls have problems with being magical girl effectively being a full time job for them, and so making it impossible to attend school. Bring up the fact that this is a general problem,which can be tied into option one later, then use the clear seeds to move to "and this is what we can do to fix this." Though, thinking further, we could dredge for ideas then suggest clear seeds if nothing else comes up.

And yes, if clear seeds ends up being the answer that does face the problem that's our contribution and not Mami's.

That's why, thirdly: I want to bring up the good Mami's doing here and now by being a friend to Kazusa. We can honestly say that just talking is doing wonders towards helping us to help her. In addition to everything Michiru is telling us, I had some suspicions but in light of update RLD 24, this fragment comes into light:
red letter day 23.5 said:
"Hello? Miss Kazusa?" You can feel the connection going out, Homura, Oriko, and Kirika all listening in.

The response comes after a minute. "... Miss Tomoe?!" a bright, disbelievingly happy voice responds.

It may well be that that was Michiru spending a moment coming to grips with the fact that Mami wasn't dead (or witched). At the very least it was a bad attempt at hiding that she was either worried sick or had thought Mami had written her off as a friend.
...Unfortunately, that's not the best option, to actually bring up at this point :/

Even so, we can say it's obvious that Michiru needed this talk and it's obvious that being able to talk to Mami is doing her good.

we really definitely don't need to bother Sayaka,
Right, I guess it did mostly come up on the Discord so I'll expand my thoughts on the matter again:

The obvious is that yesterday we got into a massive fight with Sayaka over keeping Oriko's actions a secret from her. And yes, that was a big secret by anyone's standards, while this is rather smaller. Even so we kept it from both Sayaka and Hitomi and

However there are other moments relating to Sayaka: Chiefly, she's said before that she feels wrong for keeping secrets from her friends. It's possible that she was projecting her own thoughts and feelings as to how she would want to be treated there. Add to that the fact that Hitomi was the one who might have been having secrets kept from her both then, and that Hitomi had Oriko and Kirika's actions kept from her later (and was a lot less actively furious about it when she learned) supports to me the idea that Sayaka was projecting, rather than taking Hitomi's specific wishes into account.

So, if you invert that preference then it's clear that Sayaka would want to be kept in the loop. We're not going to be bothering her by just giving her an invitation to discussion and it won't require more than a small token of effort.
 
For example, in Worm, the homicidally insane villain group called the Slaughterhouse Nine has most of its members die typically within a few months of joining.
(The problem is the core few who last years.)

The Iowa group?

Well, there's Jackie, of course. No-one knows what she wished for, not even those in her motley group who have the dubious honor of being her 'friends'. For whatever reason, the topic just never comes up - and you might think that's because of who she is and how she interacts with people, but no, she's not that scary. It's been several years since the last time she had to cut a team-mate in half from crown to crotch without bothering to shatter their Soul Gem; these days, she saves the excessive violence and dismemberment for the people who are too smart to listen to her talk.



And we can't forget Willow. She was just so tired, you know? Why was it that no-one would adopt her? What was wrong with her? Was she too old? Too ugly? Too much of a fuck-up? Even her mother had thought she was unlovable, obviously, or else she wouldn't have been left at the orphanage. Sometimes she wished that her mother was actually dead, because it would mean the woman hadn't actually wanted to abandon her - but wishes weren't real.

Except that wishes were real, as it turned out, but even when the Incubator came to contract with her, she couldn't find it in her to reinvent her mother as a good parent. She just wanted someone to take her away from the orphanage, and protect her, and tuck her into her own bed in her own bedroom and read her bedtime stories and give her enough to eat. But maybe - even if she wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't put it into words - maybe she also wanted to be better, maybe she wanted to be the kind of girl who would be adopted by a real person, and loved genuinely, maybe she wanted to be the kind of girl who wasn't an ugly fuckup who could never do anything right-

So her unreal older sister Siobhan came to the orphanage to try to adopt her. But she wasn't much older than Willow in body, and someone like Jack knew that Siobhan was only a few minutes old when she came for Willow, or maybe she was exactly as old as Willow was; all a matter of perspective. The matron certainly didn't know, but she could guess. She laughed Siobhan off, and told the girl to get knocked up if you want to be a teenage mother, like everyone else in this city-

Was it any surprise what happened next?

The funny thing is, Willow started out well-centered. She just had Siobhan to take her hand and guide her through Barriers and through the world. But it's almost easier for Willow to project Siobhan's pale shape than it is for her to keep her real body taken care of, even magically speaking. It had always been easier. What was the last time Willow bothered to take her own body with her, instead of leaving it in one of Riley's preservatives? Letting Siobhan carry her Soul Gem about is simple and elegant. She looks at the world through Siobhan's yellow eyes at all hours. She lives through Siobhan's form; she pretends she still needs to breathe, pumping Siobhan's lungs. It's almost like she is Siobhan.



As for Riley? Surely you can guess. It was such a sad story, perfect fodder for the gossipy nurses during the break in the middle of their grueling shifts at the hospital. That poor woman, wasting away. That poor girl, who has to watch it happen. It was such a sad story, perfect fodder for the Incubator to seize upon, a nice high-potential recruit with almost no effort whatsoever. Riley wished that she could make her mother better, and she did make her mother better. And then she did it again, and again, and again, and again, but the enchantments never stuck for long, and then the enchantments weren't enough, all because the sick was just too deep, and because she had the ability but not the skill. And then at the end of it all... well.

What was a girl to do? When you don't get what you want - when you fundamentally can't get what you want - you can suffer, or you can learn to stop wanting.

She never needed to interfere with her soul directly, but what did that matter when she could sculpt bodies like clay? A Soul Gem was just another kind of brain to shape, after all, and it was trivial to box up her Witch inside the gemstone, where it could never get out. It made such a din in her head, putting up protest, crying and screaming, what is oh my god what are you let me go i didn't want this please stop please i just wanted please please PLEASE-

She couldn't find it in her to bother to be nice. She cut out its tongue so it couldn't shape telepathy, and sewed its lips shut so it couldn't wail in the back of her mind, and then she nailed it down to the metaphorical backboard of her Gem. The senseless and helpless thrashing of the thing is so perverse it's beautiful. She's caught loveliness in a dry bottle, like her mother's old habit of putting pins through butterflies to hang their corpses on walls.

Her dumb team-mates don't think it's nearly as amazing as she does. Even Jack and Siobhan, who do dote on her so, seem to take in her enthusiasm with a kind of condescension. And Jack is quick to confine the burning spark of her creativity, even if she feeds that fire with all of the kindling she can scrounge up. Most of the others can't bear to look Riley in the eyes. But at least they all appreciate her boring healing magic and her normal enchantments, every last one of them but Natalie.



Natalie... where to begin? Natalie wanted not to feel like a monster. Her therapist always told her that she had to be able to love herself. Why would she not? She was so very much the kind of person that many would envy - which was sort of a part of the problem, because Natalie was a creature of craven envy herself. She wanted what came so effortlessly to others, and others wanted what came so effortlessly to her.

So she looked in the mirror and she - what? What did she see? It was like staring at some foreign, distant, lost thing. She was looking at something that looked like a monster, but it was what people saw when they looked her in the eyes. She wanted to get rid of the monster. She wanted to kill it. She wanted to kill the silhouette, the absolute border and shape of her sadness, but she couldn't even imagine how it could be done. The monster wasn't even quite real; it was there in her bones, but it was as much a shadow of being meted as it was a corporeal thing. There were boundaries and markings and divisions, and those measures and meters couldn't be defeated or escaped by any means that she could think of. Maybe they were all in her head.

She wished to transmute her boundaries. She wished to be able to change the shape of her sadness, her heartbreak and dim nostalgia, until it was all something bearable. She knew that some people in her life expected her to be a monster, and she left room for that. But she also knew that once she had experienced life in the world in a way that she could bear, it would be so much harder to go back to being a monster; it would always be easier to be something else.

And perhaps that was why her wish and her magic took the poisonous form that it did. It was easier to be whole, and so that was who she was, in the baseness of her flesh. And just as it was always so much harder for anyone to Transform and don her raiment, it was always so much harder for Natalie to Transform, because the monster followed her in subtle ways. Her raiment would be shredded time and time again only to be sickly restored, a hideous tatterdemalion that grew stronger and stronger and stronger until it eclipsed her own magic, until it eclipsed her own body, until she might as well have been the monster again, until she was more of an alien monster than she had ever been. A screaming itch, the scarred and raw nerve of her private obsession.



Natalie and Nicole and weren't anywhere close to being normal recruits as Magical Girls, albeit for different reasons. Nicole, perhaps, felt too old, even though most people would say she was all too young... and even if she felt old, she still felt like she had never grown up. How had she gotten here? What was she doing? Something inside of her had been beaten into shape and cauterized, and maybe it was because something had been done to her, or maybe it was because she was just of the wrong shape to fit in the world without the touch of hammer and anvil. She was pig iron, and there wasn't a fire in the world that could make her into ore again, or purify her into steel.

It was the perfect opportunity she had been given by the Incubator, worth the price of her soul. To grow up again, for as long as it would take in order to get it right. But what would that even mean, getting it right? What would it mean for her to grow up? She wanted the feeling of being-an-adult, of riding on top of a wave and being in control of her life and her self, she wanted not to be dragged away under riptide and not to have her body dashed against the rocks. But that feeling - if it isn't just a lie to children - will never come to her, not by her mere living, and so she hasn't aged a day since the day she made her Wish and became twelve again.

What she wants is a future she will never experience, and she wanted to be a child in a way that maybe she never really was to begin with, looking for a gray ghost, the color of anemoia. She fears the riptide in the wake of time, but even her team-mates fear that riptide more than she does, because they know that they could drown for a very long time.

Nicole always says they could drown until the end of all things, and only Jack ever dares to refute her.
 
I was gonna suggest if we can have Sayaka as long-range overwatch. With the flight+visual prowess powers she grabbed, she can observe us from afar and watch for any signs of mental tampering, or hax powers affecting Sabrina. (I also have this image of Sayaka copying EMIYA, sniping stuff while perched on a TV tower... Or just being a spotter for Homura).

... Problem is, Ueda's Visual Acuity was poorly described to Sayaka IC, and she hadn't had time to test it with us, so we're not sure if it's something like the Sharingan 'see every detail in perfect claritg' deal, Byakugan 'near 360 vision', or like Emiya's kilometer-range sniper sight.

Also, it's gonna be unpleasant for her, but I think Sayaka really needs to copy Kirika's Anti-Magic power. If only to maintain the Kure's house arrest and not get Homu'd if we need AM for an incursion.
 
Right, I guess it did mostly come up on the Discord so I'll expand my thoughts on the matter again:

The obvious is that yesterday we got into a massive fight with Sayaka over keeping Oriko's actions a secret from her. And yes, that was a big secret by anyone's standards, while this is rather smaller. Even so we kept it from both Sayaka and Hitomi and

However there are other moments relating to Sayaka: Chiefly, she's said before that she feels wrong for keeping secrets from her friends. It's possible that she was projecting her own thoughts and feelings as to how she would want to be treated there. Add to that the fact that Hitomi was the one who might have been having secrets kept from her both then, and that Hitomi had Oriko and Kirika's actions kept from her later (and was a lot less actively furious about it when she learned) supports to me the idea that Sayaka was projecting, rather than taking Hitomi's specific wishes into account.

So, if you invert that preference then it's clear that Sayaka would want to be kept in the loop. We're not going to be bothering her by just giving her an invitation to discussion and it won't require more than a small token of effort.
That's fair, but I think that introducing everyone is a bit far, as is doing it in the current vote. We don't even know what response we're going to get from Kazusa.

Which, speaking of, that's another thing I'm not happy about with most of these votes. Too much stuff tacked on to the end.


[x] They must be working on something pretty important to need multiple girls full-time.

Reframe as "there're reasons for this and they're important". They wouldn't just drop out of school because they're bored; they must be working on something. Especially with that many girls. If they're working on SCIENCE, we may need to move up our plans. Also, remind Mami that megucaing is important and useful, give her something to hold on to.

[X] Confer with Mami and then dig a bit.
-[X] Tell Mami you think she's hiding how bad the situation really is.
-[X] Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
-[x] Keep trying to let Mami take the lead.

Try to figure out what's going on. Mami should have some advice here, especially if she's relatively familiar with Kazusa. Doing some more good may help her self-confidence. Letting Mami do it if possible also works better in general terms.

I expect we'll get a good amount of material out of the small talk redirect at the top, conferring with Mami, and then pushing the point slightly. This is especially the case if we can find any small-talk opportunities that we can use to subtly push things in the direction of the cleansing situation over there: A good segue, if they're doing SCIENCE, may be something along the lines of "that's a hell of a lot of magic, where're you getting all those seeds?".
 
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As far as I can tell, the Asunaro girls didn't start the really intense science research until after Michiru witched. Mentioning an "important project" is going to put the Pliades very much on the spot if it turns out that what they're busy with is hunting for survival.
 
Mentioning an "important project" is going to put the Pliades very much on the spot if it turns out that what they're busy with is hunting for survival.
Isn't that kind of the point? I guess I can see an argument for being a bit more tactful, but if they're that stressed for Seeds, we might not want to let them go until tomorrow morning.
 
[Χ] When do you want to visit?
-[Χ] Let Michiru come over first
-[Χ] Let Michiru know it might be more than just Mami and Sabrina visiting.
-[Χ] Leave decision to the group
[Χ] Discuss who's going to Asunaro
-[Χ] Explain Hijiri's memory/mind magics
-[Χ] Push for...
--[Χ] Kirika and Oriko, as counters to mind magic
--[Χ] Homura, because she should know
--[Χ] Mami, because Mami
--[Χ] Sayaka
--[Χ] Masami and Hiroko
--[Χ] Megane Ono
-[Χ] Leave decision to the group
[Χ] Ask Kirika for anti-magic enchantments
[Χ] Say goodbye to the Kures
-[Χ] Ask Homura to chat


And done.

:V

I'm not really sure about votes.

Comforting Mami is an automatic action.

[ ] Tell Michiru she's right. She must be having a hard time supporting such a large group.
[ ] Explain Clear Seeds.
[ ] Make arrangements to meet up wherever, as long as it happens as quickly as possible. Offer ferry services.
[:V] Take a cookie. Feed it to Mami.

Really, all I'm sure about is that we can't be too passive with Kazusa, because she's the sort who won't try to impose on others to save her own life.

Should be a really good confidant, though.
 
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Ok if we're going to poke about "how bad the situation really is" it would be best if we could poke about it privately, and do it along the lines of "look, I'm getting a vibe that things are going less well than you're saying, I can and will get over there in null time if I need to, because the absolute last thing Mami needs is to lose another friend, and if that happens because you wanted to try to not inconvenience people I will never forgive you."

A little less mean than that, but that's the tack I'd say we should take. And do it without Mami hearing it is my bet on this. Redshirt raised a good point a couple days ago when he said that Mami has been having a really up-and-down past few hours, I think she could stand to not have this on her too until we've verified our suspicions.
 
Ok if we're going to poke about "how bad the situation really is" it would be best if we could poke about it privately, and do it along the lines of "look, I'm getting a vibe that things are going less well than you're saying, I can and will get over there in null time if I need to, because the absolute last thing Mami needs is to lose another friend, and if that happens because you wanted to try to not inconvenience people I will never forgive you."

A little less mean than that, but that's the tack I'd say we should take. And do it without Mami hearing it is my bet on this. Redshirt raised a good point a couple days ago when he said that Mami has been having a really up-and-down past few hours, I think she could stand to not have this on her too until we've verified our suspicions.
Take Cookie.
Give to Mami.
Excuse Sef.
Step away from the group.
Cut Mami away from telepathy.
Telepathycally yell at Kazusa.
Go back.
???
Profit.
 
[x] They must be working on something pretty important to need multiple girls full-time.

Reframe as "there're reasons for this and they're important". They wouldn't just drop out of school because they're bored; they must be working on something. Especially with that many girls. If they're working on SCIENCE, we may need to move up our plans. Also, remind Mami that megucaing is important and useful, give her something to hold on to.
This seems counterproductive. First off, it's disingenuous. We don't actually think that they have a big project in the works, but are busy with hunting to try and support them all. Secondly, it handcrafts an excuse for her. We're trying to get her to tell the truth about her Grief Seed supplies, not help her avoid doing so. Thirdly, it makes us sound incredibly naïve and insensitive. While we might not be subject to the desperate need for a constant supply of Grief Seeds to survive, we shouldn't act oblivious to the way that others suffer from that need.
 
[x] And now I'm worried about you Kazusa, you didn't answer about how hunting is, you're worried about Mitakihara being able to support seven girls when your group is seven girls, and you're apparently so busy hunting you don't have time for school. I can be over in an hour to refresh your gems and grief seeds.

Edit: Voting seems to be open. So I'm going to x this.
 
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