Which part are you responding to?BEcause Cabba has some self-respect
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[X] Plan Not Again
-[X] Communicate with Cabba and Dad
--[X] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "Kaio-Ken x 10"
--[X] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[X] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[X] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[X] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[X] Recommend he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[X] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[X] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[X] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[X] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
-[X] Communicate with Cabba and Dad
--[X] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "Kaio-Ken x 10"
--[X] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[X] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[X] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[X] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[X] Recommend he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[X] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[X] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[X] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[X] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
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NegativeJ
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[] Plan Not Again Version: Negative J ElctricBoogaloo
-[] Communicate with Cabba and Dad
--[] Cabba will power up to 200,000 while screaming "This hand of mine glows with an awesome power!", while gathering power in Cabba's hand
--[] Cabba will power up to 400,000 while screaming "Its burning grip tells me to defeat you!", forming it into a finger energy saber.
--[] Cabba will power up to 600,000 while screaming "TAKE THIS!", starting to swing the thing around like a crazy person.
--[] Cabba will power up to 700,000 while screaming "MY LOVE, MY ANGER, AND ALL OF MY SORROW!", pointing it at the Alien.
--[] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "SHINING FINGER!", will start attacking the alien.
--[] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw AWSOMENSS to hold him in place
---[] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[] Recommend (using telepathy) he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
I have no clue where to fit this however:
-[] Communicate with Cabba and Dad
--[] Cabba will power up to 200,000 while screaming "This hand of mine glows with an awesome power!", while gathering power in Cabba's hand
--[] Cabba will power up to 400,000 while screaming "Its burning grip tells me to defeat you!", forming it into a finger energy saber.
--[] Cabba will power up to 600,000 while screaming "TAKE THIS!", starting to swing the thing around like a crazy person.
--[] Cabba will power up to 700,000 while screaming "MY LOVE, MY ANGER, AND ALL OF MY SORROW!", pointing it at the Alien.
--[] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "SHINING FINGER!", will start attacking the alien.
--[] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw AWSOMENSS to hold him in place
---[] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[] Recommend (using telepathy) he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
I have no clue where to fit this however:
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@NegativeJ : Whatever got into you, I think I miiiiiight like to experiment with in a careful, secure environment when side effects are not a problem. On reflection, maybe not.
@KaintukeeBob : How about the idea of having Cabba shout some completely fictitious technique like "POWER OF DOOM" or whatever. We can then refuse to teach it to Maya, for reasons she'll interpret as concern for her welfare, and we'll interpret as "because it doesn't exist." That said, I like Plan Not Again, it is a good plan.
1) By the time Maya is in a position to learn about Kaio-ken, she'll already know enough that she's likely to figure out that something is fishy. At some point in the indefinite future we may just plain have to bring her in on the facts, and make her an active participant in the Masquerade rather than a patsy. This is going to become especially important as she gets more powerful and better at ki sensing.
2) As noted, the precise words "kaio-ken" are specifically associated with the legacy of Earth. And frankly, it is FAR more important to conceal that the powerful fighters on this planet are descended from Earth than it is to conceal that they're powerful in the first place.
I honestly think your plan is one of the best plans available in its broad outline; this is just about the details.
@KaintukeeBob : How about the idea of having Cabba shout some completely fictitious technique like "POWER OF DOOM" or whatever. We can then refuse to teach it to Maya, for reasons she'll interpret as concern for her welfare, and we'll interpret as "because it doesn't exist." That said, I like Plan Not Again, it is a good plan.
The countervailing objections are:
1) By the time Maya is in a position to learn about Kaio-ken, she'll already know enough that she's likely to figure out that something is fishy. At some point in the indefinite future we may just plain have to bring her in on the facts, and make her an active participant in the Masquerade rather than a patsy. This is going to become especially important as she gets more powerful and better at ki sensing.
2) As noted, the precise words "kaio-ken" are specifically associated with the legacy of Earth. And frankly, it is FAR more important to conceal that the powerful fighters on this planet are descended from Earth than it is to conceal that they're powerful in the first place.
I honestly think your plan is one of the best plans available in its broad outline; this is just about the details.
Berra's plan involving Maya is also a good plan, on the whole, and deliberately screwing it up would be bad for Kakara's relationship with Berra, which is frankly waaaaay more important than almost anything else we might want to accomplish in the near future.Regarding your stance on pacifism:Agree with all but the last.
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NegativeJ
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One part vaguely remembering this:
Two parts G Gundam.
And another two parts too much sugar/soda.
Ridiculously Average Guy
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[X] Plan Not Again Version: Negative J ElctricBoogaloo
If we're willing to lie to Maya and want to cover a sudden power increase, we can just tell her that we don't talk about the technique used to raise power levels to what she saw because it's a suicide or likely suicide last resort. Also, she shouldn't ever do any unsupervised training or combat because we don't want her to accidentally discover it herself.
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NegativeJ
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To we put into this vote or the next vote?
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It's a really good joke plan, but I doubt Cabba's going to go along with it, so we might be well advised to move along to a more serious version?
Well, that's the idea behind KaintukeeBob's Plan Not Again. Only we have Cabba pretend to use a REAL near-suicidal sudden power increase technique. That way, we don't have to cover anything up- we can just tell Maya, straight-up, that she saw us use a Dangerous Forbidden Technique that we refuse to teach her because it's insanely dangerous and could kill her.
Plus she, unlike us, still hasn't unlocked her full potential- and that part isn't even a lie! She's still getting stronger!
[Come to think of it, there's no obvious reason we couldn't do it ourselves instead of having Cabba do it]
NegativeJ
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It's a really good joke plan, but I doubt Cabba's going to go along with it, so we might be well advised to move along to a more serious version?
Do I have to remind you of the greatness that is THE GREAT SAIYAMAN!!! DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT CABBA WILL DEFY HIS DESTINY!
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This is basically the same plan as KaintukeeBob's, but with the roles reversed. The reason I have Maya saying "go cover Cabba!" is that it gets her out of the way, in a way that makes her sound like a valued member of the team, not JUST a passive hunk of squishy victim we're trying to protect.
Also, Cabba looks like the weakest person on the battlefield at the moment (power level 80,000 as opposed to 200,000 or 300,000). Maya won't be particularly surprised by what we're telling her to do; she knows she's still a rookie even if (according to Kakara and Berra) her potential is remarkable.
[EDIT: I WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THIS PLAN]
[] Plan Not Again, Version Simon_Jester
-[] Please caucus this plan with @KaintukeeBob 's "Plan Not Again" if it loses.
-[] Communicate with Cabba and Dad
--[] We will power up to 800,000 while screaming "POWER OF DOOM" or something like that.
--[] We will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[] If we do not feel secure in our ability to do so, we will try to knock the alien out quickly.
--[] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, we will drop our power level to no more than 20,000 (maybe quite a bit lower) and play up the exhaustion and strain we feel.
--[] Once Dad arrives, defer to his handling of the situation.
---[] Recommend he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[] Warn Maya away from the alien while we power up, telling her to "go cover Cabba!"
-[] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
Also, Cabba looks like the weakest person on the battlefield at the moment (power level 80,000 as opposed to 200,000 or 300,000). Maya won't be particularly surprised by what we're telling her to do; she knows she's still a rookie even if (according to Kakara and Berra) her potential is remarkable.
[EDIT: I WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THIS PLAN]
[] Plan Not Again, Version Simon_Jester
-[] Please caucus this plan with @KaintukeeBob 's "Plan Not Again" if it loses.
-[] Communicate with Cabba and Dad
--[] We will power up to 800,000 while screaming "POWER OF DOOM" or something like that.
--[] We will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[] If we do not feel secure in our ability to do so, we will try to knock the alien out quickly.
--[] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, we will drop our power level to no more than 20,000 (maybe quite a bit lower) and play up the exhaustion and strain we feel.
--[] Once Dad arrives, defer to his handling of the situation.
---[] Recommend he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[] Warn Maya away from the alien while we power up, telling her to "go cover Cabba!"
-[] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
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Ridiculously Average Guy
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If I remember right, our deception is terrible. That said, we could go Oozaru and then tell her the technique slowly turns you into a giant monkey. Then show her our tail.
NegativeJ
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That might give too much intel to the enemy...
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Yeah, because if the Enemy ever learns that there are humanoids that turn into giant gorillas, it's going to give the game away pretty darn fast. Finding out there's another planet of ki-using warriors out there whose power levels are in the five or six figures? That's just Tuesday. Finding out there's a planet of ki-using warriors who turn into giant gorillas? KILL KILL KILL.
...
Also, it occurs to me that with the "POWER OF DOOM" or for that matter the "actually name Kaio-Ken" approach, any grossly failed Deception checks to Maya are likely to be interpreted by Maya as us giving spurious reasons for not teaching the dangerous technique she knew exhausted us.
It comes with a ready-made explanation for why we're thinly lying: a second-order deception.
...
Also, it occurs to me that with the "POWER OF DOOM" or for that matter the "actually name Kaio-Ken" approach, any grossly failed Deception checks to Maya are likely to be interpreted by Maya as us giving spurious reasons for not teaching the dangerous technique she knew exhausted us.
It comes with a ready-made explanation for why we're thinly lying: a second-order deception.
Let's tell Berra that this whole problem exists because he kept secrets from us and he needs to stop RFN, before we make any committments. Really, this mess comes down to being blindsided by Berra's insistence on dramatically curbing power levels and apparently telling everybody except us until combat had already begun.
It's a really good joke plan, but I doubt Cabba's going to go along with it, so we might be well advised to move along to a more serious version?
Well, that's the idea behind KaintukeeBob's Plan Not Again. Only we have Cabba pretend to use a REAL near-suicidal sudden power increase technique. That way, we don't have to cover anything up- we can just tell Maya, straight-up, that she saw us use a Dangerous Forbidden Technique that we refuse to teach her because it's insanely dangerous and could kill her.
Plus she, unlike us, still hasn't unlocked her full potential- and that part isn't even a lie! She's still getting stronger!
[Come to think of it, there's no obvious reason we couldn't do it ourselves instead of having Cabba do it]
-or, we can get Maya the hell out of there, and probably end up not needing to explain anything at all.
*sigh*
I hate doing this, but I was trusted with a proxy vote, so it's probably not fair to waste it.
-actually, what are Grandma and Yammar doing right now? They're hermits, right? They wouldn't have any human obligations preventing them from teleporting in immediately, would they? Two, three, or even five-on-one with multiple experienced warriors would let us put this punk down quickly with low individual power levels. Heck, Mato wants to be special- what's he up to right now? Does he know IT or somebody who can play battle taxi?
NegativeJ
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@PoptartProdigy -Sensei can God!Gohan somehow gift/give The Great Saiyaman costume to Kakara? Or at least something like that... Or point her towards that kind of costume design...
Does the Seer know IT? His ki-blocking trick can take down a lord and would come in real handy right about now.
I really don't want to bet on Maya following orders right now.
I really don't want to bet on Maya following orders right now.
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No reason to suspect that Grandma and/or Yammar know IT, but it is so USEFUL, I'll be surprised if they don't. I think they're just doing the 'grumpy old Saiyan' thing and living away from society, participating as little as practical. Either that or, like Head Raditz, they don't like the maths involved.
I think the scout would be offended if he discovered the child was considering asking her little brother to come in and handle things.
rofl:Ok, points about kaio-ken made. It is a potential information leak, it doesn't need to be shouted (at least by someone who is a master of it, as Goku was), so I'll do what I said I would and listen to people.
I present
[X] Plan Not Again v2
-[X] Communicate with Cabba and Dad about this plan
--[X] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "Power Growth x 10!!!"
--[X] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[X] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[X] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[X] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[X] Recommend (using telepathy) he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[X] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[X] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[X] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[X] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
I'd initially figured on Kaio-Ken being screamed since it was something that could be verified to Maya by an independent source (without us having to coach that source) plus it being something Cabba wouldn't feel ridiculous screaming (since it's a real technique, albeit one he may not know) which might have made his Deceit check (if any) simpler.
That said, a tiny bit of extra infosec isn't a bad thing, and it doesn't change the plan too much.
@Simon_Jester - I maintain that having an essentially disposable person (in that Maya will not have to interact with him again) display the 'amazing' power level of 800,000 is better than having us display it. Us having to display it might increase the number of deception checks we have to make, and even with 2nd order lies keeping the true secret safe, no one likes being lied to. I feel it would hurt our relationship with Maya more to do it that way.
@NegativeJ @Ridiculously Average Guy - does this version work for you?
@anailater - if you like this version, can you update your vote?
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I am for obvious reasons limited in the feedback I can provide, but within my bounds: Kaio-Ken was known to Freeza, and Freeza may have spread the knowledge of it around as an Earth-specific technique. It was also known on the trans-universal level and to your local deities, and they may or may not have told tales. It's a potential info-hazard. On the plus side, Kaio-Ken is a technique that Cabba actually knows, so he'd gain a huge bonus on the Deceit check (which is a good thing, given that his Deceit is no better than yours), and you're near-certain that Cabba could put the alien down with no muss or fuss if he powered up that far.
Finally, the whole plan would rest on Communication checks, which as previously discussed, you have an embarrassment of traits going towards, in addition to a straight up Talented skill level. It also contains a strong contingency with preloaded justifications. Kakara personally cannot think of any holes in this plan in the time she has to think, aside from the potential info-hazard that Kaio-Ken would involve; to her it seems fairly solid.
Hermits, yes, but nobody has contacted them. They do tend to have some responsibilities in saiyan society, but unless they're in the Hall at the moment (and thus out of contact) they'll have a much easier time getting away from that then they would from human obligations. The primary thing holding you or your father back is that traditionally, calling in Patriarchs and Matriarchs is an admission that the Lords, Ladies, and Scions aren't capable of handling the situation themselves. Your Dad won't let Mato anywhere near this fight; he's too weak right now unless he goes Oozaru, which is a definite info-hazard.
You'd have to look for him specifically one year as a write-in -- he's stopped visiting -- but I'm sure it would come up eventually, if you asked for stories.
Nope. He's also squishy, and blocking your parents was definitely him sucker-punching them.
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[X] Plan Not Again v2
-[X] Communicate with Cabba and Dad about this plan
--[X] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "Power Growth x 10!!!"
--[X] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[X] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[X] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[X] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[X] Recommend (using telepathy) he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[X] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[X] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[X] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[X] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
Yeah I think this will work, though I do think that we would have to make the deciet plan roll, not Cabba.
-[X] Communicate with Cabba and Dad about this plan
--[X] Cabba will power up to 800,000 while screaming "Power Growth x 10!!!"
--[X] Cabba will subdue the alien using raw telekinesis to hold him in place
---[X] If Cabba does not feel secure in his ability to do so, he may instead knock the alien out quickly in whatever manner he chooses
--[X] Once the alien is unconscious or removed from the field, Cabba will drop his power level to no more than 20,000 and play up the exhaustion and strain he feels.
--[X] Once Dad arrives, defer to his directions
---[X] Recommend (using telepathy) he KO the scout (if this hasn't already happened) and get him to the Training Hall's cells before quickly returning.
---[X] Suggest we all clear the area quickly (Dad and us using IT to get Maya and Cabba out if needed).
-[X] Call Maya back to us while Cabba powers up, pulling her away from the alien if needed.
-[X] If at any point it looks like inaction on our point will leave Maya in danger, power up to full and hold EVERYONE with Telekinesis.
--[X] Dad can explain it to Maya as a 'Seer' thing or a limit break or whatever if he wants.
Yeah I think this will work, though I do think that we would have to make the deciet plan roll, not Cabba.
And that sinches it, I am completely fine with this plan now.
NegativeJ
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Eh... I kinda like my Silly version more just because it would make the situation a bit more light hearted... You know a bit more comedic relief... Tho your version should work!
That and I enjoy theatrics...
I will change votes If the runners are still winning just before voting closing time.
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Doomed Wombat
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[X] Plan Not Again v2
This works.
I'm still more in favour of teleporting the ****er to the moon, but hey ho
This works.
I'm still more in favour of teleporting the ****er to the moon, but hey ho