Lights... Camera... ACTION!!: A Hollywood Quest

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

So we have some bad news.

The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

I'll see you all around.

With so many regards, Duke William Of.
 
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Honestly, they really look like the ones from andor.
But in Legends Phase 3 Dark troopers were people in power armor. So it's not hard to imagine them being the same here.

Yeah, but Legends Phase 3 Dark Troopers would be a little too complicated for a simple exoskeleton, you couldn't really do them justice with the prototype technology being used. Death Troopers on the other hand are elite cyborg soldiers who act with superhuman efficiency and wield space MG42s like they're blaster rifles. Combine that with the voice scrambler and you've got something that's intimidating for the ground force to overcome.
 
Are there any animation studios here ASIDE from Disney, Lucasfilm(HB, Sunrise, DreamWorks) and Sunbow?

Also I have a idea for a cable network as well. I'll post them later as it's 5:20AM EST.....
 
Rocky III

Rocky III
Directed by: Sylvester Stallone
Written by: Sylvester Stallone
Produced by: Mike Eisner
Production and Distribution Studio: Lucasfilms Unlimited
Starring: Sylvester Stallone, Talia Shire, Burt Young, Carl Weathers, Burgess Meredith, Tony Burton, Mr. T, Ina Fried and Bruce O'Brian.


Quality: D100 + 300 => 365
Audience: D100 + 300 => 329
Critics: D100 + 300 => 302

Budget: $17,000,000
Domestic: $74,611,091

International: $82,924,202
Total Gross: $157,535,293

Your work in Return of the Jedi was some of the most strenuous, stressful, yet also rewarding and fun moments of your acting career so far. In between the scenes in Jabba's Palace where you basically played a blind man trying to fight the most deadly mercenary while trying to avoid being thrown into a sand creature, to the forests of California where you once more were witness to Steve and Geroge's genius when it came to directing and innovation of storytelling, you've hardly had a moment where you were not busy, and the few and far between you made sure to spend with your friends and family.

Which would explain why you did not hear about the most recent development with your scheduled releases films, one that frankly you had not even thought possible when you made the plan.

It all started when Sylvester talked to you about the making of the third entry in the Rocky franchise. Just as before, he had told you he planned to write and direct it, and he wanted you to make a cameo as yourself and the one that was defeated by Rocky at the beginning of the movie. You had no problem with that, though you made sure to give him a run for his money, you still made the victory seem real and earned. After said small role however, you'd had very little to do with the movie, hoping that you could go and see it when the time for its release was set.

It was only unfortunate that scheduling issues, and the delay in production for the final Star Wars film made it impossible to attend. But hey, Mike would be there, and he was in charge of producing the film as well. Your trust in him had been vindicated recently, so you were sure that you could focus full time on acting and leave it all to him. After all, there was no other film that could compete with Rocky at the moment, so you were sure that it would work out just fine.

Heck, the movie in itself is a sequel to one of the most beloved franchises at the moment, and if there's something you've learned about Sly is that he does not do things by half, nor does he make another movie just to cash in on its marketability. If he says he has a story for the continuation of the sage then he has something that will make it both thrilling, blood pumping and entertaining to watch.

And when you received the report during one of your breaks, you were certain that you'd made the right choice.

Rocky III hit the theaters with strength, and Sly made a bold choice with this entry by making sure that it would not retread old ground like others had before. For in this film, Rocky was not the underdog fighter wishing to be at the top, but an already established name, a world champion who had taken on the best and succeeded, taking any and all challengers while earning fame, glory and money. Rocky is finally at the top of the world, he has a family and the adoration of the public, it should all be smooth sailing from here on out.

And yet it all comes crashing down as during an unveiling of a statue of himself at the stairway by the Philadelphia Museum of Art, he is challenged by an up-and-coming new boxer; Clubber Lang, a man with ambition and a thirst to prove himself, a man who, to paraphrase Mickey Goldmill, has the hunger for the top, and is willing to shed anything to be where Rocky is at the moment. Rocky does not take it seriously however, and only accepts a fight with him after Lang insults his wife (this is sounding oddly familiar).

Yet the situation is not like many other films, for Rocky is no longer the determined man focused on only victory, as despite managing to get Mickey to join him in training for one final fight, he decides to stay at a hotel full of distractions for his fans to look at him train. Clubber Lang, in a dark parallel to Rocky's previous two training montages, is shown to be pushing his boundaries, getting stronger, with ruthless determination and vigor. At the same time, Rocky is then distracted by Mickey's heart issues, and despite the latter urging him to continue the fight, his lack of preparation and distraction over Mickey's condition cause him to lose the fight after his attempt to end it all in one round flounder, and Lang ends him on the second.

Rocky goes to Mickey's room, and tells him the fight ended in the second round, not mentioning who won. Mickey ells him he loves him, and dies, leaving Rocky in a deep depression.

It's in this situation where Apollo meets him, having watched the match as a guest analyst, and offers to help him train for a rematch with Lang. Rocky really tries, but at first it just doesn't seem to click with him giving up due to the crushing guilt and sadness he has over Mickey's death. It's only with the support of Adrian who helps him come to terms with Mickey's death where Rocky finally comes back with full force on his training, both him and Apollo becoming close friends in the process.

And you can only give praise for Survivor's Eye of the Tiger. That song is just the perfect mix of adrenalin, blood pumping, and excitement that just makes you want to stand up and run some laps around the block. That song has just become synonymous with rocky, and you don't think it's going to be dethroned any time soon. You've heard it on the radio so many times now, that it might as well have become part of your repertoire and songs that you hear to pump you up before any fighting scene.

It just fits so well.

Then comes the climax, the rematch against Clubber Lang, where Rocky once more comes to regain his throne in a way. The fight is everything that it had been hyped up through the entire film, as it is full of ups and downs, moments where Rocky has the upper hand, only to be reversed and nearly taken down twice before rising again once more. Through the fight we see both Rocky's fighting style now more refined, instead of the brawler he was presented through the last two movies and at the beginning of the third one, he is now moving with rhythm, he know when to dodge and when to retreat, when to take a hit or when to use the ropes to his advantage. All things that allow him to finally take the win against Lang, as the latter was not used to fight for that long, much of his victories coming from short matches where he overwhelmed his opponents.

With Rocky regaining his title once more, he and Apollo meet one final time, where they decide to try one more match between them and see how well they match against each other now. The movie ending in a frame right before their fists clash against each other.

Now what can you say about this movie? Perhaps that it's an amazing entry into the franchise, and, like its predecessor, a clear improvement where the entire character manages to go forward instead of repeating the same arc over and over again, yet still retaining the theme of never surrendering, to get up and try once more. Rocky lost everything; his manager, his title, his self-respect. But above all, he'd lost his edge. Like Apollo said "Now, when we fought, you had that eye of the tiger, man; the edge! And now you gotta get it back, and the way to get it back is to go back to the beginning." You loved that line and everything it implied.

When you lose something don't quit. You stand up again, dust yourself up, and get into the fight once more to get it back.

Not to mention how it probably has more ups and downs and memorable scenes than any you've seen so far; Rocky fights an exhibition match with against yourself and gets the beating of his life before managing to somehow overcome and win (Up). Then while defending his boxing title, he gets pummeled by a loudmouth boxer "Clubber Lang", and that's without mentioning the death of his manager (Down). But Rocky's former rival "Apollo Creed" agrees to train our hero in a re-match against the obnoxious villain Lang (Up). However, still down and depressed, Rocky is unable to train and be has lost his will to fight again (Down). But Adrian is there for him, helping him through this hard time, where he once more finds his "eye of the tiger" spirit and trains with great inspiration, becoming even and quicker and faster afoot than Creed! (Up).

Sly really managed to outdo himself this time, his role as Rocky Balboa manages to maintain that still lovable down to earth manner from the previous films, yet also imbue it with nuance as he becomes a more soft, more "civilized" fighter as Mickey would call him. It does not fit him, yet he makes it work as part of the movie, showing how this is not Rocky, and should not be, which makes his eventual return during the final fight all the greater when his determination, hunger, and stubbornness once more take center stage. Carl returning as Apollo once more managed to slip into Mickey's place with hardly any interference, and his new role as Rocky's trainer and sparring partner seems so seamless and natural that it just feels like something that was always meant to be. And of course, Mr. T's own take on Clubber Lang, the arrogant, brutal, and foul-mouthed boxer that you just love to hate, yet you can't help but respect as well due to his determination and focus whenever he trains or fights. He is a man that shows what Rocky could have been, may have actually become had he not had anything or anyone to ground him like Adrian.

And you can't forget Talia's take on Adrian in this film and how different it is from her last performance. Where before Adrian would have counseled Rocky against fighting, this time she goes above and beyond by becoming his Rock, his support during this difficult time where she gives him the words of encouragement he needs to hear in order. Their talk at the beach was just so heartwarming and touching that you're sure it's going to live on as one of the defining moments of the franchise. It truly shows that there is more to Adrian than one would have expected.

This is what you love about this movie; it's keeping with the theme but also trying new and interesting developments that manage to break from the old and tried formula, while also giving the fans what they want. Instead of a tale of an underdog, it's a tale of the rise, fall and rebirth of an underdog, proving once and for all that just because you reach the top, it does not mean that you have to disregard or forget all the lessons that brought you there, nor do you need to let it change who you truly are.

From the last report the movie had managed to be hit, gaining great traction among the fans of the franchise and even beyond. The audience seemed enthused, as they loved the story and how poignant Mickey's death was. They enjoyed the fact that the characters were moving forward and developing rather than just remain static cutouts revolving around the same drama over and over again. If the movie ended right then and there, you're sure that many would call it a perfect ending for the entire trilogy, a beautiful and nuanced finale for all their favorite characters. Yet from what Sly told you he still has plans for more movies; perhaps one more, or two at most, but the saga of Rocky is far from over.

Satisfied you put it out of your mind to once more focus on Steve's film, and for the next month you were more interested in both the Ewoks of Endor and the new Troopers that your daughter had managed to create for the film, thus it was a surprise when the next report you received showed how Sly's film had gone from a sure blockbuster in one moment, to barely trailing as the lowest grossing movie of the entire trilogy.

Looking at it, you could only call Mike and ask how the heck this happened?!

And the answer was twofold in a way...it was basically your faults, both yours and Mike in a way.

First of all, Mike, one of the best men for Marketing that you know, was suddenly given more than he could handle when his plan was approved. So much that in the end, when in charge of the movie, he thought that it could get by with the bare minimum of marketing, and name recognition alone. Now, to be fair to him, usually Mike can run rings around any and all other different movies and knows just the right people to speak with and with whom he can make sure to expound the best qualities of the movie and how to better present it to the audience along with trailers and campaigns to drum up support.

He was just too overwhelmed to put it in schedule, especially with most of his crew working on at least 5 different projects at once as well.

And even then, with the amount of notice the movie was getting, it could have still made a profit, and it could have very well perhaps approached the numbers from the first film...had it not been for how utterly ridiculous The Kung Fu Kid did during the next month! You had actually forgotten how it was the next movie to be released, and even then you had not expected it to overshadow the third entry from Rocky of all movies. It was in everyone's mouth, all were praising Lucasfilm's for once more beginning another successful franchise, and all the while, the best entry so far in Rocky laid forgotten like yesterday's news.

That's not to say it did not make a profit. Nearly ten times the budget is no joking matter, but it still makes it the least successful out of all the three films. Both in audience and critics as, once more, they did not manage to find much that they liked and had the audacity to call it "just another Rocky film with nothing new to add". Have they actually watched the film! Have they not seen the character development, the amazing choreography, the gripping story! Have they not seen how it perfectly goes full circle in the friendship/rivalry between Rocky Balboa and Apollo Creed?!

At the very least you can rest somewhat easy in knowing that this is not the end of the franchise. Sly has not taken this badly, and is satisfied with the results, many of Rocky's die-hard fans writing and saying how much they loved the movie and hope that there can be another one coming soon. How they were still going for second or third viewings in order to support what they see as a "gem forgotten on the road."

You can only hope for the best there.
 
You want to know something funny.

I was surprised about the rolls, but then laughed when things got wierd in the other rolls.
 
Rocky III
Directed by: Sylvester Stallone
Written by: Sylvester Stallone
Produced by: Mike Eisner
Production and Distribution Studio: Lucasfilms Unlimited
Starring: Sylvester Stallone, Talia Shire, Burt Young, Carl Weathers, Burgess Meredith, Tony Burton, Mr. T, Ina Fried and Bruce O'Brian.


Quality: D100 + 300 => 365
Audience: D100 + 300 => 329
Critics: D100 + 300 => 302

Budget: $17,000,000
Domestic: $74,611,091

International: $82,924,202
Total Gross: $157,535,293

Nice. Shame it's technically the lowest performing Rocky, but at least it's still a definite success.

Now that III has come and gone, I think there should be a discussion on what to do for 4 and if we should still have Apollo Creed die? I do like the Creed movies but part of me feels that Apollo dying was unnecessary. Then again, I feel like the broad framework of 4 with Rocky vs Drago is going to be even more in force here with geopolitics and Bruce O'Brian's adventures.
 
We could have it so that Creed, while still alive, is unable to do boxing ever again due to the injuries he sustained fighting Drago. It throws the audience a bone and allows Creed to live while still irrevocably changing him forever.
Rocky said it best: "Drago broke things in me that can't ever be fixed"

Rocky is suffering from his injuries decades after that fight. And well I like that.

It could make things like that.
 
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I agree with not killing Creed, mainly because we just killed Mickey in this movie and doing it again to another character would seem repetitive.

The idea that Drago nearly killed Apollo, but made it so that he could never be a boxer again would fit perfectly with Rocky V, and we could have Apollo in that movie as well if that happens. It would be amazing.

Then again, there is a certain weight and gravitas when Rocky is fighting against Drago to avenge his dead friend. But I'm sure we can evoke the same feeling when the time comes.
 
So like, does DiC, MWS and Rankin-Bass, like, not exist?
It's less they don't exist but I am just letting those things happen without my interference
Heck, even Bakshi managed to do his Lord of the Rings film, though that was more because of the copyrights laws in the US which has made it public domain inside it, even if it's not outside of the country.

Huh, wonder what he thinks about DreamWorks. On the one side he strived to push the boundaries of animation (even if sometimes to extreme degrees) and we have done the same, even if still in a different manner than him.

Still, I have to give him respect for all that I don't like his films. The man went against an entire industry that told him what he was doing was wrong and still managed to thrive.
Speaking of Rankin-Bass, Flight of Dragons comes out in August of 82. Is anyone else ok with trying to distribute it?
I haven't seen the movie, is it any good?
 
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Are there any animation studios here ASIDE from Disney, Lucasfilm(HB, Sunrise, DreamWorks) and Sunbow?

Also I have a idea for a cable network as well. I'll post them later as it's 5:20AM EST.....

My headcanon which is also partly based off of real history is that right now Hollywood Animation is sort of in a 2.5 Powers system where you have Disney and Dreamworks reigning on top as Kings along with Blue Sky as an awkward third party that is doing their best to make money, though if they flop once or twice more then they'll be a brief and embarassing chapter for Universal.

Even with the Disney channel and LucasTV, I don't think there would be anything to stop a massive proliferation of TV animation studios and cartoons in general thanks to the greater prestige animation has, Reagan's reforms of FCC laws to allow companies to make shows as advertisements for their products, and the greater ability to make decent quality and mass produced animation. So I think TV animation is a very diverse place with most of the 80s studios and shows still in force, and American TV has a greater likelihood of being joined by many contemporary anime due to Sunrise and Dreamworks success and Disney forming bonds there.
 
I haven't seen the movie, is it any good?
It's not exactly earth shattering but It's pretty good. I'd say it's around the quality of The Last Unicorn if you've seen it. It's interesting, got a pretty good title song and probably my favorite animated Rankin bass movie. I wrote a pitch* for it if you want a quick summery or you could just read the wiki.
Edit here's one of the most memerable scenes in the film.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOErq1-okU
*Mostly to point out we could distribute it.
 
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