Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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It does, but i think that this will end with us having to quite possibly kill everything they have, in which case killing their artillery should probably take precedence. Because yeah sure, we exacted a bloody toll, but killing their infantry is not going to matter much if we all die here anyway and artillery is the one thing we can strike in no other way.
So we would essentially let them do what you propose we do to them. Except our troops are already seemingly bled dry.
That is not relevant to now. They don't intend to take any slaves in this or any future Ostland engagement. They intend to burn, maim and pillage, by their own words. Even if they did, it would not matter in the current fight, after which they can just limp back, get some more druuchi, and go pillage norscans or some shit idk. Point is, its irrelevant for this engagement, because they have (almost) no more slaves to control here.
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You...you answered your own question?
Like. If the rulers of those Arks are committed to the fight, then they certainly arent doing so before they bring whatever they can to put between them and stray Freddie's at this point.
Whoever's left on the ship doesnt matter. The ones who do have already come out in the open.
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[X] Unleash the Martyrs!
[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!
[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!
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Word of GM they've already solidified under a successor.
No? Where did you get that impression? Our only losses are in the physical walls, half our artillery (from the dragon) and a good chunk of our Mercenaries.
Our regular forces are largely doing fine. We have quite a ways to go before "we all die here anyway" is on the table.
If we damage the infantry enough we can afford to muster sallies, which is what we'll need to rely on anyway once the Dragon starts inflicting further attrition on our artillery teams.
That's our best bet regardless of what you consider the Druchii breaking point to be
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I'm in favour of trying to win the artillery duel. Whether the dragon manages to wipe them out after is unknown. If it does we can still massacre their infantry in straight up melee without worrying about their artillery. If not we get to turn our artillery uncontested against the remainder.
Also an artillery duel will likely draw out the fight for longer which I believe will favour us due to incoming reinforcements.
Also an artillery duel will likely draw out the fight for longer which I believe will favour us due to incoming reinforcements.
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From my understanding the mercs are here because they hate the Druuchi and they were paid. Their lives and logic behind this type of career is that they are valuable and that they should be used effectively. Forced out into the killing fields and nearly wiped out is not generally accepted as effective. Anna considering them being worth less than the general army when they're specialists and supposed to be worth the added cost flies in the face of that philosophy.
I've seen a few posts about mercenaries as disposable or ablative and that's not the kind of thinking that makes me think that quality groups would want to sign up if that's the way their going to be treated.
Considering the shit show things have been on the ground the only reason I think the surviving mercenaries haven't routed is because they either haven't realized how bad things are due to fog of war, unlikely when you lose that much ground that quickly or because they think if they run now they're as good as dead. Either the elves will chase them and turn them into Shackled or if by some miracle the Bull wins that they'll be hunted down and violently made examples of. Might as well kill as many of the elves as possible if death or worse than death is a foregone conclusion.
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I feel the need to repeat that Druuchi are not Skaven, or Orks. They play politics and wield betrayal, but they are not gonna fall to infighting because congaline of people took the metaphorical scepter, got stabbed by another dude and then got stabbed by another one and so on. Druuchi are capable of discipline and following chain of command. And there will be one. Relying on some kind of leadership uncertainty is dubious at best unless we kill literally every single hero unit they have.
I mean, i disagree, because letting yourself be pounded by artillery has never really been a winning tactic.
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I'm sorry, what?
How on earth do you figure that?
They're only an additional cost as compared to the limitations of recruiting and running the larger, more formal armies of Ostland.
Though point taken.
That very same uncertainty is why they're here in the first place, rather than having backed up Malekith as.the Druchii were driven off of Ulduan.
This entire battle is the end result of a Chaos factions institutional.inablility to not fuck themselves over in the pursuit of their own petty ambitions
Also we.have a pretty reasonable expectation of having the opportunity to kill every such hero unit in question. It's not as unreasonable as you're claiming.
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1) Druuchi are not Chaos faction
2) This is this and that is that. Yes their ambitions led them here, in spite of Malekith, but thats courtly intrigue, not questioning chain of command in middle of a goddamn battle.
But good catch on this, the state troops should still be in relatively good order. Still not great.
Hi all, SV noob question here.
I'm debating changing my vote (haven't fully decided yet, I want to consider it further) but I've realised that I don't know how to change a vote. Do I delete the OG vote message and make a new one? Does making a new one cancel out the old one? Something else?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated, cheers.
I'm debating changing my vote (haven't fully decided yet, I want to consider it further) but I've realised that I don't know how to change a vote. Do I delete the OG vote message and make a new one? Does making a new one cancel out the old one? Something else?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated, cheers.
That's what sallies are for, yes. You need to clear the way so that a charge can be successfully launched from behind your walls.
And that means clearing space by means of copious death
I mean, if they arent Chaos and they arent Order or whatever, then what exactly are they? Because they certainly traffic enough with Dhar and Demons enough to sound like one.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck then regardless of its specific genus you may as well treat it like a duck.
This applies to your second point as well, incidentally
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No, that means killing literally everything between us and the artillery. Which is the entire enemy army, and at that point where we have won that fight, we won the entire battle anyway. I am touch skeptical of this. (I mean i suppose the lines could buckle in places, but relying on it while we get pounded to nothing by bombardment we can otherwise do nothing about seems to be the more suboptimal option)
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… you plan to break through the dark elves elite and savage their artillery that's way in the back line with flagelents and cavalry?
You mean positing a strategy that results in win conditions being met by pursuing a clear strategy towards achieving those goals is on the table?
What's your skepticism towards this hypothetical winning strategy, anyway?
Didn't Sadrina get chosen as a Handmaiden after years hunting and purging Chaos-tainted beasts from corrupted areas on Ulthuan? She probably does have some experience in phrasing 'I got covered in monster bits' in a poetic manner.
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Just gotta revote, it only counts your newest one.
Oh, and welcome to the mad house, hope you survive
No, I plan to blow those elite up first with artillery? That's what people are arguing with me about. The Flagellants and cavalry help with this by killing more and making this goal easier to achieve.
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[X] Unleash the Martyrs!
The assumption that we do not get pounded to dust by them first. Their arty is fresh. Ours is mauled. Best to try to snipe theirs off, because ours is not doing so good on mass volley shooting atm.
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Fair enough. Since I have to go to sleep shortly, here is my final post for today.
1. Druchii came to punish us. The ways they can do it is either by taking the city and burning it to the ground or killing Freddy or other hohenzollerns. Or both.
2. We can win by either forcing them to retreat or by destroying them, probably with the help from our upcoming allies. (Barak Varr, Eldyra?)
3. Druchii are a species driven by hate and arrogance, that would make it difficult to make them retreat in the face of those they beliee inferior. Furthermore, coming back to Naggaroth in defeat, after having suffered significant losses, which for clarity they did, 2 dragons alone are a pretty big deal, is very likely to lead to their deaths by other druchii in short order. As such, making the drichii retreat is highly unlikely. Therefore, we must focus on holding them back until the reinforcements arrive.
4. If we want to survive, we need to hold the wall.
5. If we want to hold the wall, our soldiers and artillery on said wall have to be able to fight effectively.
6. They would not be able to do so if the enemy artillery can bombard them with impunity.
7. The only way we have to suppress their artillery (barring god tier rolls from the sally) is our own artillery.
8. The plan that does that is Unleash the martyrs and its variants.
Therefore
9. Vote one of the variants of that plan.
Now this part is for the arguments of the proponents of the plan Cordwood as I understand them and my counterpoints.
1. Our artillery is dead men walking as it will be destroyed by the Dragon
Also
The dragon is not invulnerable. We have just killed 2 this very update. We still have fliers who can contest it when it shows up.
2. Druchii will retreat because they need troops to keep the slaves in check.
Most of their slaves are already dead. Furthermore, quite as few of druchii's slave are kept under control by magic. Those don't need many overseers. Lastly I have asked multiple times for a reason behind the idea that the soldiers we face and the slavedrivers are the same people and have not received a satisfactorty answer.
There is more to both sides, but I am done. Almost 3 am here. See ya tommorow.
oh and since my version of the plan has no chance
[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!
Thank you so much!
Been around here for a little bit but I mostly lurked so I don't know the mechanics of how anything works.
Isnt that what walls are for?
Leaving or not you kind of cant ignore the actual answers given and just go "oh they weren't satisfactory" as if that's an actual rebuttal.
If it doesnt satisfy you need to explain why that is, if nothing else.
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pucflek
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And they are already in Saltkalten proper, and have our walls they could feasibly hide behind. The Super-Executioner whatshisname literally does so. And unlike our artillery, theirs can properly arc their shots. And then the bit that i edited into that post later, sorry about that. Their artillery is fresh, ours is mauled. So we likely don't actually have the firepower advantage here, so letting theirs pound our numbers while we try to do the same to them is not a favourable exchange. Sniping high value targets seems the much better option.
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