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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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See, the plan basically relies, gambles, that Druchii self-interest will win over any sort of Druchii solidarity, that if Frederick beats down a Druchii, the other Druchii will mock him, take his wallet, and kidnap his pet rather than come to his aid.
And you know what, I might see it. The Druchii are here to bleed and punish us, then take whatever loot and slaves they can and skedaddle. If we bleed them out and deny them, and we do know we have incoming reinforcements in the form of Barak Varr, Manaan, and Eldyra, this might discourage them enough to leave. Especially so if we can somehow gank Tullaris and take away the religious aspects of this assault.
See, the plan basically relies, gambles, that Druchii self-interest will win over any sort of Druchii solidarity, that if Frederick beats down a Druchii, the other Druchii will mock him, take his wallet, and kidnap his pet rather than come to his aid.
And you know what, I might see it. The Druchii are here to bleed and punish us, then take whatever loot and slaves they can and skedaddle. If we bleed them out and deny them, and we do know we have incoming reinforcements in the form of Barak Varr, Manaan, and Eldyra, this might discourage them enough to leave. Especially so if we can somehow gank Tullaris and take away the religious aspects of this assault.
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So question, shouldn't a proper response to the artillery be fully included in the plan? Like, just to say my suggestion of what to do about all that, I'd personally send Oskana with Natasha and Kerillian + Roland and the pegasi to do an assault on the artillery, get in quick, smash and stab, fly out, just like their dragon did to ours. With the whole field full of foes conventional cavalry will struggle to deal with that, so the fliers are our best option.
I fully agree actually that the artillery would be better spent tossing shots at the Druchii infantry, cause that's just what it's good at, (admittedly my opinion is based on my time playing Total War, which I am terrible at, and always having my artillery focus infantry while faster units destroy any enemy ranged), but I also have to majorly disagree with the psychological gamble cause it really is a genuine coin flip how the Druchii will react to such losses. Sometimes they'd just call it a day, retreat, and piss off to some Norscan village to grab some slaves, other days they might just say fuck it and go all in without worrying about the losses. We really can only guess what they'll do, they're equally likely to do either thing imo, but I think it'd be better to be prepared for a slugfest meat grinder than to bank on them ditching.
I fully agree actually that the artillery would be better spent tossing shots at the Druchii infantry, cause that's just what it's good at, (admittedly my opinion is based on my time playing Total War, which I am terrible at, and always having my artillery focus infantry while faster units destroy any enemy ranged), but I also have to majorly disagree with the psychological gamble cause it really is a genuine coin flip how the Druchii will react to such losses. Sometimes they'd just call it a day, retreat, and piss off to some Norscan village to grab some slaves, other days they might just say fuck it and go all in without worrying about the losses. We really can only guess what they'll do, they're equally likely to do either thing imo, but I think it'd be better to be prepared for a slugfest meat grinder than to bank on them ditching.
There simply isnt one available. Oskana + co need to contest the Sorceresses and their Black Pegasii contingent because not doing so is giving Heroic Magic Users free shots to bombard our lines.
Artillery is the only thing with a sufficiently long reach to put pressure on the enemy artillery in a consistent manner right now.
We have the advantage right now. But shits tenuous and the current reserves being brought out are the Druchii trying to take back control of the tempo of battle. Our heroes are stretched too thin and we dont have a way to leverage our super heavies right yet so for now itll come down to how we play against one anothers advantages.
My plan is to keep the wall between our forces and their guns while.turning our own on the Druchiis exposed infantry, while the alternative is to match artillery to artillery and hope that the stalemate there lasts long enough that another advantage presents itself.elsewhere.
For sure, plan for the worst and hope for the best. Thankfully the plan advances either wincon regardless should it go through, the issue is again the enemy artillery.
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Did you forget about the mages? They're still running countermagic last I checked. We shouldn't need our fliers to be assaulting the mages while our own mages are completely unscathed and popping off against them. Heck, I didn't even realize there were more mage fliers than the one Supreme Sorceress who tried a potshot and failed horribly
The fliers are occupying the Flier mages, the dark elves have more mages then we do by virtue of a LOT more elves. Without finding a way to occupy their more remote ranged caster in the Arks AND the fliers on the wing being mobile bombardment platforms our amges would get overwhelmed via numerical superiority and the fact the enemy if hitting from dozens of different angles. Arguably that's the entire point of flying mages, loss of distance and group casting in favor of hitting the enemy where they are unready to take a hit. Furthermore, frankly ceding aerial supremacy to them in ANY form gets us royally screwed, as seen with the dragons.
They're contesting the Sorceresses trying to implement battlefield scale magical workings from elsewhere.
Multitasking has its limits. Especially when the Druchii are fielding their actual elite units. The fact we're doing as well as we are on styming them up to this point is low key the biggest twist of the fight thus far. If the Nagrond Sorceresses get free shots in it could swing the fight against us in an instant.
Again: We're "winning" insofar as such can be measured right now but it's a very very tenuous thing.
The Druchii are pissing away no small amount of value throwing this many Pegasii into the teeth of our defenses.
Itd literally have no chance otherwise after we exterminated all their harpies
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I'm gonna stick with my vote on targeting the artillery, BUT, it is super tempting to say 'screw it' and just kill as many Delves as possible.
If we were losing the battle more obviously I think I would.
As it is I think/hope our army is still in pretty good shape, so fighting a more typical/regular battle is, maybe not the better but, the safer option.
Still a close call though. It is a strategy that might really pay off. Aaaaand I really do wanna see what the outcome of blasting them would be. So I guess either way should be an interesting result.
A part of me wonders that maybe the best choice is actually to target the various monsters as they're something artillery is really good at killing while being very difficult for most others to fight, while being probably more effective at taking down our walls than their artillery.
If we were losing the battle more obviously I think I would.
As it is I think/hope our army is still in pretty good shape, so fighting a more typical/regular battle is, maybe not the better but, the safer option.
Still a close call though. It is a strategy that might really pay off. Aaaaand I really do wanna see what the outcome of blasting them would be. So I guess either way should be an interesting result.
A part of me wonders that maybe the best choice is actually to target the various monsters as they're something artillery is really good at killing while being very difficult for most others to fight, while being probably more effective at taking down our walls than their artillery.
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...we could demand Caledorian smiths working for a decade or three (a blip in the eyes of elves) in our Engineering school. See how strong a cannon we can make with their alloys. Or weights of ithilmar, ithilmar would make wingsuit-troops much more feasible.
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Ohhh, that's on me, I completely missed that the mage contingent was split between the Ark group and some on pegasi. I thought our fliers were focused on any remaining flying monsters + the dragon, if/when it comes back to fuck with us. That's why I figured a strike with the fliers would be a good bet to take down the artillery, since we possibly have at least a little time before the dragon comes back. Hmmm, that does make it a tougher question on how to deal with the artillery then. Maybe we could temporarily pull Oskana and Natasha from the aerial battle and have them try to do a surgical magical strike on the artillery before pulling back? Take Kerillian for overwatch as well maybe? Leave Freddy on the walls to deal with Stabby McStabberson and co., throw wife + elf daughter at the least solvable issue
They're one of the few things our superheavies can meaningfully contribute against right now.
@torroar How are the Titan Cannons anyway? Slagged yet?
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Cant, Natasha + Oskana are the only force on hand able to check their Supreme Sorceress now that shes fielded and it's no contest which one hurts the Druchii more to lose.
We kill her and the distraction thatll cause will alter the magical layer of this battle very significantly
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Alright, the debates going back and forth have convinced me that now is honestly the best time to use our artillery to kill as many dark elf elites as we can.
I only hope that this doesn't come back to bite us in the ass for not contesting the artillery but I hope as the battle rages we can switch targets back to the enemy artillery later.
Alright, the debates going back and forth have convinced me that now is honestly the best time to use our artillery to kill as many dark elf elites as we can.
I only hope that this doesn't come back to bite us in the ass for not contesting the artillery but I hope as the battle rages we can switch targets back to the enemy artillery later.
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Thus far we have been pushed back primarily because the second to last wall was broken through, and it was broken through via monsters. I think if we want to retain this wall our best chance of doing it could well be by focusing artillery fire on the remaining monsters.
Nooooot really
Based on the rolls that was entirely the Dragons fault the entire round of this fight. I believe our superheavies countered their monsters sufficiently that neither showed up on the rolls log
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Mmm, I misremembered a segment that had a bunch of beast corpses mentioned as breaking through at the cost of their lives.
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