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After whatever fresh topics cropped up from our adventures this turn and the Windsoak Mushrooms book, I'd like to get the paper on the Rogue Idol ritual out. It's a rather unique topic and has been sitting back there since forever.


On an unrelated note, @Boney, is Rituals a full book topic, or is there not enough information to pull one together?
 
[x] Ranald
Mandred should be fully inducted into the Cult of Ranald and taught to wield His power, and taught to keep anyone else from finding out he has the capacity to do so.

The dice shall rule, roll.
 
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Since it looks like wizard is going to win by a landslide I thought I would make a list about what College Mandred might end up being sent to with the pros and cons of each, keeping in mind that we know next to nothing about his temperament these are mostly going to be broad political considerations:

Amber College:
Pros:
  • Would allow one to be a peerless rider, even of beasts that are normally very risky to ride and which thus have a hell of a cachet among imperial nobles like griffons and hypogrifs
  • Would probably get along well with the nature cults like Taal and Rheya
Cons:
  • Has Arcane marks that makes one uncomfortable with the trappings of civilization, granted that does not mean they cannot work in a city, look at Dragonas, but that would still be a personal and professional strain
  • Not a lot of political backing from the Order. Dragonas aside I do not imagine Mandred would be able to get as much leverage from the order politically

Amethyst College
Pros:
[Not Relevant] :V

Cons:
  • Must give up wealth and inheritance, dead in the water

Bright College
Pros:
  • Associated with the military with likely military training included
  • It is a straightforward kind of magic which wold likely scare the nobles less than many others
  • It cane make one more inspirational in battle
Cons:
  • The Bright Wind tends to make one more impulsive and hot tempered, that does not just mean anger, but also things like lust, problematic to say the least for a feudal lord who is already going to be working under prejudice from his lords
Celestial College
Pros
  • The power to see the future is a hell of a thing for a lord, especially when you can do it yourself and do not have to trust your seer not to shade things to their benefit
  • As Hubert shows throwing lightning is almost as good as fire when it comes to showing off on the battlefield
  • Connections in the Order with the most noble contacts

Cons
  • There is a CK2 event about the ruler paying more attention to the stars than to his lands and for good reasons, someone with his eye on the horizon might miss what is under his feet
  • They have a mark that gives them terrible omens when they miscast, not sure how bad that is but paranoia is not something you want to see in a ruler

Grey College:
Pros:
  • Trained in Intrigue and diplomacy, as far as we can see (and admittedly it is shaded by the fact that we cannot see inside the other Orders) it is probably the best training for a leader in peace time.
  • Decent battle magic, as long as he is willing and able to get there. Smoke and mirrors alone is more than just a tool for assassination, it is a way to get away from assassins
  • Potential Mathilde training when we get done with Eike, with all the benefits that come with that (dwarf cred, elf connections etc..)

Cons:
  • The secret police is scary, news at eleven
  • The order will not be able/willing to help him out as much as others might because any appearance of favoritism would damage their reputation
  • Some really bad arcane marks if he gets unlucky. Being supernaturally forgettable or having everyone think you are untrustworthy would be really hard to overcome for a leader

Jade College
Pros:
  • Healing magic, which is both a boost to personal survival and to one's image
  • Pretty good combat magic including one of the only means to reduce miscasts in the imperial arsenal
  • Relatively benign mental effects from the wind
  • Good relations with the nature cults
  • Likely to have children, which given than he is likely to be an only child himself would be good for the succession
Cons:
  • Might end up in some kind of theological scuffle within the order
  • Bound to the seasons would be a bad arcane mark to have in case there is some sort of attack or emergency in winter
Light College
Pros:
  • Anti Chaos and Necromancy College, that is likely to get him some nods even from those who naturally distrust magic
  • Access to healing and poison resistance, very good against assassins
  • Decent relations with the cults of Sigmar and Shaylla

Cons:
  • For much the same reason as the Greys the Order is unlikely to give much help, they too are a sort of secret police
  • Literally has Paranoid as an arcane mark, that would be worse than either of the Grey Ones

Gold College:
Pros
  • After the Celestials likely the order which is most in contact with the nobility, including a very savvy patriarch
  • Likely to have good classes in things like math and finances which are very important to the leader of one of the Empire's richest provinces
  • Would be able to cast in armor I think which would make him look like more of a 'normal' lord on the field of battle
Cons:
  • The Golds likely made as many enemies as friends while getting very very rich
  • Probably does not get to gild himself if he is so minded, no one wants an immortal lord

So looking at the above it looks like Celestials, Jades and Golds have an edge. What do you guys think?

Put like this, I think we're all hoping for Greys but Light and Celestial both seem acceptable.
 
Course Medieval Europe also didn't have literally magical/divine healing or people with magic capable of growing food at extreme speed or in what is basically a wasteland.

It doesn't entirely balance everything out, but it does mean that it isn't all bad.
 
I realize this is a bad assumption, but if we assume that he would still end up Emperor, which wind would be the most useful to him? I feel like the one that allows prescience would be fantastic if you're ruling a country, but there're probably issues with that one. Ulgu is probably right out, since basically no one would trust him.
 
Medieval Europe may have had war, famine, plague, and death, but the Old World also has beastmen, skaven, goblins, zombies, and trees that will eat all of the above, in addition to the four riders.
Oh Warhammer Fantasy World is definetly worse off. I was just pointing out that Western Europe wasn't exactly sunshine and flowers all day either.

The real difference I think is that the main threats back then where not big on wiping out settlements directly.

None of the four horsemen went out of their way to target small villages more than cities, while problems like the beastmen make small village life actively unpracticible in many areas.
 
Put like this, I think we're all hoping for Greys but Light and Celestial both seem acceptable.
Isn't the Light Order one of the Colleges that has celibacy and monastic lifestyle as a requirement for their membership? I feel as though that would interfere with being a Wizard EC, though not as badly as the Amethyst College with how each member is required to disown themselves from any living family they might have.
 
Oh Warhammer Fantasy World is definetly worse off. I was just pointing out that Western Europe wasn't exactly sunshine and flowers all day either.

Nobody claimed Europe was "sunshine and flowers". Boney said that the demographic trends of medieval Europe can not translate to the Warhammer world, because the Warhammer world is more dangerous, resulting in radically different demographic trends.

That does not invalidate the instability Europe faced during that time period; instead it simply contextualises just how awful the Warhammer world is in comparison.
 
Isn't the Light Order one of the Colleges that has celibacy and monastic lifestyle as a requirement for their membership? I feel as though that would interfere with being a Wizard EC, though not as badly as the Amethyst College with how each member is required to disown themselves from any living family they might have.
Orders of the Emperor supersede customs of the Orders.
 
I would suggest that villages are likely to be close to eachother in death worlds because mutual-aid, self defense or otherwise, doesn't work real well when isolated. So my expectation would be that individual villages would get picked off, but small groups of them could either resist or successfully flee to a close village to rebuild later.

More a quibble than a serious objection like chaos dwarf and dark elf population numbers, but still.
 
Orders of the Emperor supersede customs of the Orders.
That still wouldn't bode well for Mandred's future within the order.
Exceptionalism won't make him any friends, within or without.

There are nobles that have given up their inheritance because of their wind affinity. Mandred will have to follow suit, or pick another wind.

He's seven, it's early enough to choose.
 
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