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Isn't almost all data on the Eonir from a book that was publish 3ish months ago, after the Eonir were left blank for well over a decade?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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I know we shouldn't take 4e stuff as gospel truth and I know Boney will end up using some of the Eonir stuff in 4e, but I don't believe that negates his mandate. As I understand it, we're not merely supposed to not assume it's canon, we're supposed to outright ignore it - pretend it doesn't exist for the purposes of guessing what'll show up in the quest.
Apologies mate, Writing my own my thoughts into words often can read weirdly even for me as I notice missing words or incomplete sentences which make the wording of my thoughts read weirdly even to me.
I'll try not to forget proof read them before posting as well and edit my post.
After editing post: Yeah your right their were like 3 -5 misspellings or awkward word placing/sentence structure per paragraph in my spiel which could be painful to read for others so yeah, sorry about that mate. Just so annoying to have to spend like 10 - 40 minutes doing an effort post on something I'm interested in which often pushes me to just post after feeling I explained my case while not checking my spelling.
Either way yeah I'll try not to forget to fix up my post in spelling and wording before posting mate next time just so it could be easier to read.
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notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[x] Kislev
[X] Carcassonne
There's talk about elves using spidersilk in quest, how applicable it would likely be seems up for debate though, as it's a completely different spider paradigm.
[X] Laurelorn
[X] Carcassonne
[X] Kislev
[X] Carcassonne
[X] Kislev
Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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There's always cutting the red string and saying the elves will use human stuff, at the least from the highest tier of craftsmen, because their pride is not bound up in craftsmanship.
CFE how Finubar runs around with an Indan sword.
[X] Laurelorn
[X] Carcassonne
[X] Carcassonne
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- US
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- He/Him
No need to apologize man. I just figured I'd say it, because it'd suck to put that much effort in and then have a lot of people just not read it, because of some grammar, spelling, and capitalization issues.
Don't hesitate to post though, even if you don't have the time to proof it. Better something be mis-said, than not said at all.
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[X] Kislev
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- Earth
In the short term, I feel that the reasons not to do it outweigh the reasons to go ahead.
Firstly, expanding in that direction steps on existing toes. Remember when the League of Ostermark sent a representative to us in one of our social actions? Doing so here could raise similar concerns. Except this time, those concerns would be belonging to Nordland and Middenland, and those two are likely looking for ways to leverage events into ammunition against their opponent with a lot more potential for flare-ups. Talabecland too, depending on if the route goes through land.
Secondly, the EIC is currently focused on prepping for the canals. Two of the other bullet points on those lists were 'Riparian' and 'Eyes on Barak Varr.' Effort spent expanding northward is effort not spent preparing for the incoming trade boom in the south. Not only in profit from the trade deals and positioning the markets, but also in dealing with the rising banditry caused by Marienburg. Speaking of which, some of the other possible goals, like gunpowder and naval development, become more important in that context.
Thirdly, Mathilde's involvement with the EIC is supposed to be more focused around information than trade, since that's what won the vote when the time came to decide. That's not to say that trade can't be done, but I think the intrigue should come first. And that even makes sense in this context, since I doubt trade's going to get anywhere without resolving the Nordland/Middenland spat first anyways, so Laurelorn would be a step removed from that.
Thinking more long term, I can agree that expanding there might be nice.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
You know what, I'm changing my mind. I think it'd be really neat for Mathilde to immerse herself in Elven culture like she has done with the Dwarves, and use that as a jumping point for her Elfcation in Nagarythe.
Don't get me wrong, Kislev does tug at the heartstrings but Laurelorn really just wins out on all points for me - uniquely interesting, narratively fitting, and lots of little side-benefits sprinkled in. Things like Pan exploring the landscape, Spider-Silk, AV + High Magic.
Thusly, I sadly amend my vote:
[x] Laurelorn
Don't get me wrong, Kislev does tug at the heartstrings but Laurelorn really just wins out on all points for me - uniquely interesting, narratively fitting, and lots of little side-benefits sprinkled in. Things like Pan exploring the landscape, Spider-Silk, AV + High Magic.
Thusly, I sadly amend my vote:
[x] Laurelorn
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[X] Laurelorn
It exists, but it's very different to the practices of the Chaos Dwarves or Druchii. The way for someone to become a slave in Kislev is if they are captured from an enemy polity, commit certain major crimes, sell themselves into it, or accumulate debts above a certain high level, and in the current era they have legal rights and protections and their children are free citizens of Kislev. Most are household servants or have their own house and plot of land they pay quitrent to their owner on.
From a modern perspective slavery is monstrous, but from a modern perspective no human nation in the setting is free of it, whether it's practiced openly or by names like corvée or serfdom or indenture or penal labour.
Every time the thread has been locked, the impression I've got from some quarters in the aftermath is that the future of Warhammer quests on SV is far from certain. So given the circumstances it does feel like any alternative to personal attention would be irresponsible. I dread being the flashpoint that banishes the quests that inspired me from this site.
That said, that many of the more active posters in this thread do their best to keep the thread on an even keel is usually sufficient for me to feel the thread is in good hands.
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I get that things can get heated very easily in quests like this, but it's hard for me to imagine this website without Warhammer quests. They're part and parcel of the reason I found and enjoy this site so much! I certainly hope that everyone can keep cool heads so that something like that isn't likely to happen anytime in the future.
It would be kind of cool for Panoramia, who disdains the more mystical aspects of the Jades, to instead advance her magic from elven sources and come back with a wealth of lore that the elder druids at the colleges cannot match, you know in addition to the barging rights from building an ecosystem from scratch.
About the We I seem to recall the GM said the dwarfs would take elf weavers very poorly at least right now. Maybe that will chance as the Eonir cooperation advances and the common dwarf figures out that yes they are different from the other elves on the floating island and in the haunted woods.
About the We I seem to recall the GM said the dwarfs would take elf weavers very poorly at least right now. Maybe that will chance as the Eonir cooperation advances and the common dwarf figures out that yes they are different from the other elves on the floating island and in the haunted woods.
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I honestly can't decide as all the choices are great. So, as I'm a believer of voting my mind, behold my choices!
[x] The Grey College
[x] Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Laurelorn
[x] Carcassonne
[x] Kislev
[x] The Grey College
[x] Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Laurelorn
[x] Carcassonne
[x] Kislev
Edit: My post is long and may be intimidating but I just wanted to give my thoughts on why we don't have to worry about trade leagues. Sorry that it's over 900 words and you don't have to read it but here they are if ya want to read them. I'll acknowledge though it's probably better to wait till Boney gives the full situation on the other provinces take on the Eonir before discussing opening them up to trade.
While I do agree with you that it may be better served setting up agents in Nordland through the EIC to know what their planning to help the elves in espionage, etc in the short term and have them focus on securing the Canals and getting mad dogs pass.
I think you fears for trade leagues in Middenland and ostland are miscounted to an extant.
Remember Middenland was explicitly an option and we could get the count Boris Todbringer and the cult of Ulric on our side as well as the emperor as I believe he sides with the Eonir/cult of ulric on this issue.
Middenland's count Boris would support the EIC expansion i believe and going by lore he would yell at any trade leagues to fuck off.
Ostland has reason to ensure Nordland doesn't win the land claim because of the Cult of Sigmar because what's next? Nordland is going to try and push their claims on Ostland and we all know Nordland has questionable reputation trying to encroach on other peoples borders.
I got this info from what little info i could scratch from Boney and his take on Nordland and their uh, reputation as "Nordland at it again with bullshit land claims"
Like, it's really telling the elector count of Nordland has to fear the empire siding with the Eonir on this one and being called "Border encoraching Nordland at it again with their usual bullshit landclaims".
Either way, my point is that since Ostland Elector count has reason to make sure none of Nordlands land claims ever succeed or gain imperial recognition because they have claims over their land and thus can be a potential reason to side and work with the Eonir.
Middenland's Elector Count Boris and the leader of the cult of Ulric is our ally because they want to help their new Eonir buddies so i don't doubt they would probably want to help integrate them further into the empire to fuck Nordland over.
The Emperor Luitpold if I'm to believe correctly sides with Middenland/Eonir on this matter and would not be to opposed to receiving a new trading partner via the sea's.
sorry if my post is long but I believe the elector counts Middenland and Riekland are siding with the Eonir on this matter with Ostland in the ??? but I believe has reason to ensure none of Nordlands land claims ever gain official legitimacy so may very well side with the Eonir so we can probably count on them to try and help us integrate the Eonir into the empire and if it's via trade then their willing to yell at their own traders to get their own goals working.
Also I'm using this map to judge things by
The green circled are is the Eonir lands and it has access to the Sea, it green line shows they have access to Ostland, Riekland, and maybe Middenland via the sea if they wish to trade goods.
Since Elven goods and luxuries of Ulthuan if I am to believe are so prized in the empire for their taxability. I'm sure the Eonir can make some banger luxuries and weapons which the empire would prize and desire since i don't doubt elven crafts.
Also notice how Tablcland and Osternmark are much closer to Stirland? I believe they won't interfere in the sea trade of Riekland, Ostland, and maybe Middenland because their so far away from the sea. It's like saying they will side with Marienburg to ensure elven goods which the empire has never seen before never make it to the empire markets which i find questionable.
Either way I think Ostland would happily want more elf trade, Reikland and Middenland want peace with the Eonir and we have elector count of both of them and the cult of Ulric wanting siding with the Eonir so I think we can rely on them to want more elf trade and not oppose us in integrating the Eonir further into the empire structure of things.
Either way this is what i managed to scrap together on the situation and why I think Elf trade is possible and the empire wouldn't oppose it beside the cult of Sigmar and Nordland although they already allow Ulthuan trade so???
I agree with you using the EIC in Nordland as spies and espionage may be better of earlier then seeing the trade viability of wood elves through the EIC but I just wanted to list my reasons why I think we don't have to worry about Elector counts opposing more elven trade since the Empire clearly does so with Ulthuan.
Although perhaps your right we should let the EIC focus more on the dwarven Canal project and getting mad dogs pass before focusing on the wood elves. Either way just listing my reasons why I think the empire wouldn't oppose more elf trade but will acknowledge that I might be wrong and we don't know the entire situation with Ostland or Riekland but I'm pretty sure the Emperor Luitpold side with the elves on this matter so yeah he wouldn't oppose the Eonir and Ostland wants to fuck over Nordlands land claims.
Again might be wrong from what tidbits of info I remember and if so feel free to tag me but with the info I have I don't think were going to have to worry about trade leagues.
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