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Adhoc vote count started by EternityWarrior on Mar 24, 2021 at 1:34 AM, finished with 1389 posts and 236 votes.

I am happy to announce I am the sole person voting for Swamp Town, putting it dead last at the bottom of the barrel.
 
About the We I seem to recall the GM said the dwarfs would take elf weavers very poorly at least right now. Maybe that will chance as the Eonir cooperation advances and the common dwarf figures out that yes they are different from the other elves on the floating island and in the haunted woods.
Here's the citations, courtesy of my vaccine arm throbbing like bejeezus and keeping me awake. Papa Nurgle isn't happy with me, it seems.
Yeah, if he asks for friendly nationals and gets an ancient foe, that's kind of going outside the orders he gave.
Also yeah if you want to get cute, teach an ogre to sew. Do not bring an Elf into a Dwarven Karak. Some Ulthuani Elves still kidnap and shave Dwarves to add to their beard collection.
My take is "obviously don't bring Eonir into K8P until and unless diplomacy goes remarkably well, but there's no reason in principle the Eonir couldn't set up training somewhere other than a Karak to teach K8P's human weavers some spider silk techniques." Or maybe we can scrounge up a book or three from the library. Hard to say for sure just how heavy our AP hell will be, but maybe it's something we can manage at some point: it is not a completely DOA scheme.
 
I think you fears for trade leagues in Middenland and ostland are miscounted to an extant.
Just to be clear: Ostland and Ostermark are two different provinces. You circled the right one on the map, but used the wrong name. Ostland is to the far north, and not relevant to the EIC. Ostermark is to the east.

I also think you're misunderstanding the idea behind why I brought them up. Existing trade groups don't like new competition. This is why Ostermark sent Baronet Husserl. I brought them up not because they have any relevance to a potential Laurelorn trade deal, but as an example of that idea.

The rest of your points seem mostly to follow from that misunderstanding, or otherwise aren't against my position, so I hope that clears things up a bit.
 
[X] Laurelorn

Ultimatly, Laurelorn will I think have the most support and best fringe benefit. They are in the middle of a massive gambit to form solid enough ties with the empire that the humans stop trying to kill them. They would be motivated to be as visibly helpful and dedicated to the project as possible, further it has the benefit of helping them form that alliance. The empire benefits as well by forging that tie after all.
 
Doesn't Laurelorn already trade with others?
If I'm correct they are an isolationist group of elves who only leave to deal with Nordlands bullshit and don't trade with anyone.

This is why them opening up the empire and trying to team up with the cult of ulric and Middenland to further integrate themselves into the empire is so significant. All they've been doing so long is killing any trespassers or logging efforts by Nordland and never trying diplomacy with the empire besides that treaty which Nordland ignores and decided to make their capital on the border of the wood elves anyway.

Them reaching out to the Cult of Ulric and Boris Todbringer while smart move only lasts as long as the leaders of of Middenland and the cult of Ulric are willing to yell which knowing human life span isn't so long for the elves which is why building stronger ties via trade was a suggestion I brought up.
Just to be clear: Ostland and Ostermark are two different provinces. You circled the right one on the map, but used the wrong name. Ostland is to the far north, and not relevant to the EIC. Ostermark is to the east.

I also think you're misunderstanding the idea behind why I brought them up. Existing trade groups don't like new competition. This is why Ostermark sent Baronet Husserl. I brought them up not because they have any relevance to a potential Laurelorn trade deal, but as an example of that idea.

The rest of your points seem mostly to follow from that misunderstanding, or otherwise aren't against my position, so I hope that clears things up a bit.
I might have worded it a bit awkward but my point was Osternmark and Tablcland are far inland of the empire and elf trade would mainly affect Ostland, Reikland, and Middenland as their near the coast at first which i listed in previous response on why I believe they would want more elf trade to further integrate the eonir into the empire and be recognized as a polity.

Either way I don't think competition is too much of a worry since comparing elven goods to human one's is like comparing dwarven goods to elven made but I see your point.

Either way I just think the provinces that matter at first, mainly Ostland, Middenland, and Reikland are what matter first and through the reasons i listed in my previous response would like more elf trade as their elector counts side with the Eonir while Tablcland and Ostermark are far in land and thus little worry but I might be wrong as they may want to interfere because competition.

I guess we'll wait and see the situation and if we get more info in the coming updates or talk to the EIC leader who I forgot her name already and see the counts opinions on this matter go.
 
If I'm correct they are an isolationist group of elves who only leave to deal with Nordlands bullshit and don't trade with anyone.
They have sea access and they're not isolationist like the Asrai so I just kind of assumed they traded with other polities. I don't think they'd trade with Nordland because Nordlanders are assholes to them but everyone else would be alright to trade with.
 
I might have worded it a bit awkward but my point was Osternmark and Tablcland are far inland of the empire and elf trade would mainly affect Ostland, Reikland, and Middenland as their near the coast at first which i listed in previous response on why I believe they would want more elf trade to further integrate the eonir into the empire and be recognized as a polity.
Sure. The idea of increased trade between Laurelorn and the Empire is good. But why is the EIC needed there? Those trade routes (the ones in Ostland, Reikland, and Middenland that you mention) already have trade groups in dominant positions. So to get the EIC in there you need to muscle in on some other group's interests, and that leads to competition.

Also, if we're going with the sea/river route and not a land route, then there's one small issue of Marienburg being between the northern and southern rivers that connect the Empire and the whole embargo threat business.

You're right though, we should probably wait for this to become relevant before we debate the details. Getting pretty late for me too, so I'm heading off for now.
 
Now I'm super curious. What quests do you guys thing inspired Boney? The only other WHF quests I've read a bit of are Drunken terroar and that one about the Lizards. Haven't seen any other big ones, though I mostly search with a filter for FMRS or just replies/views to find quests.
 
They have sea access and they're not isolationist like the Asrai so I just kind of assumed they traded with other polities. I don't think they'd trade with Nordland because Nordlanders are assholes to them but everyone else would be alright to trade with.

They are isolationist, they're just not murderously isolationist in a varying radius that sometimes includes several neighbouring provinces.

Now I'm super curious. What quests do you guys thing inspired Boney? The only other WHF quests I've read a bit of are Drunken terroar and that one about the Lizards. Haven't seen any other big ones, though I mostly search with a filter for FMRS or just replies/views to find quests.

Of the ones that predate DL: Warhammer Dynasty, Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism, Glory and Grudges, Paradox of Choice, honourable mention to 40k's The Long Night.
 
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Warhammer Dynasty, Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism, Glory and Grudges, Paradox of Choice, honourable mention to 40k's The Long Night.
I'll give them all a try, thanks! I admit, I tried reading Dynamic Alcoholism and I remember quiting at some part where a Gribble suddenly attacked the Count's residence without any warning, nor actions from questors to provoke it. Maybe I should have pushed on. I'll give it another try.
 
I remember quiting at some part where a Gribble suddenly attacked the Count's residence without any warning, nor actions from questors to provoke it.
Torroar is notable for actually paralelling a lot of stuff in the background so while it wasn't technically the playerbase's fault there is a reason stuff happened the way it did. Much as I'll say without spoilers if you're worried about that kind of thing.
 
I'm honestly rather shocked that things are so heated on a vote like this. All of the options will be interesting. Disagreement is one thing, but to the level of the fear of thread-locking being significant is...surreal.
 
You know I seem to recall that when we asked about using AV in casting we were told that it would work better for High Magic since it produces all the winds not just one. I wonder if we can get some Grey Lord Favor by trading AV.
 
I don't think there's any fear of threadlocking right now. More so that Boney's been burned a couple times out of nowhere, and so he's like "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!" the discussion on this vote has been mostly civil, with only a couple people being belligerent. Worst I saw was some spaghetti posting, but only the once; lots of arguing strawmen and the like, but nothing that'd blow up the thread I don't think.
 
I'm honestly rather shocked that things are so heated on a vote like this. All of the options will be interesting. Disagreement is one thing, but to the level of the fear of thread-locking being significant is...surreal.

There's a cultural idea on SV that 'salt' is inevitable when major decisions are on the line, and I have a theory that some people see this, consciously or otherwise, as tacit permission to surrender to their worst impulses as long as they don't outright break site rules.
 
I'll give them all a try, thanks! I admit, I tried reading Dynamic Alcoholism and I remember quiting at some part where a Gribble suddenly attacked the Count's residence without any warning, nor actions from questors to provoke it. Maybe I should have pushed on. I'll give it another try.

They're on SB, but the first WFB quests I read and loved were KnightErrant's Knight's Quest, and Thales' Rise. They even have a crossover event.

[X] Laurelorn

I feel like Laurelorn is the most interesting option, as it seems like it provides the best knowledge base, and insight into a so far unexplored culture.
 
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