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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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pucflek said:
This is entirely fair, but the reason why Laurelorn has not been razed to the ground by dwarfs is that the Grey Lords yeeted an army of spirits at the dwarf throng.

I don't expect Eonir to have the same level of dealings with spirits as Asrai do, but i suspect great level of competence in similar vein regardless.
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Hmm maybe the research the grey Lords were doing is spirit related stuff.
Which is possibly an uncomfortable topic for Ulthuan because it doesn't fit neatly in their model.
Or because it is close to demonsmithing.
 
pucflek said:
This is entirely fair, but the reason why Laurelorn has not been razed to the ground by dwarfs is that the Grey Lords yeeted an army of spirits at the dwarf throng.

I don't expect Eonir to have the same level of dealings with spirits as Asrai do, but i suspect great level of competence in similar vein regardless.
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One would hope they do not have the same level of connection. One of the reasons the Asrai have the issues they do is because they have taken on a lot of Fey motivations and while Fey are not necessarily malicious they are deeply alien in mentality, which makes them unpredictable to well everyone else.
 
Mopman43 said:
Far as I'm aware, we have not been told how they disappeared the throng.

If Boney has said otherwise, then fair enough, but at the moment I don't recall it.
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In desperation, they turned to the disgraced Grey Lords, mages that had retreated into the forest to study the artifacts of the Old Ones. The Grey Lords summoned a spirit army from the forest's depths. The advancing Dwarf throng marched into the forest to meet this new foe and was never seen again.
 
Mopman43 said:
Far as I'm aware, we have not been told how they disappeared the throng.

If Boney has said otherwise, then fair enough, but at the moment I don't recall it.
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Its obviously not canon canon, as we are not to assume everything from the source books is true, but hey.



So i have hopes.


DragonParadox said:
One would hope they do not have the same level of connection. One of the reasons the Asrai have the issues they do is because they have taken on a lot of Fey motivations and while Fey are not necessarily malicious they are deeply alien in mentality, which makes them unpredictable to well everyone else.
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Well, yes. The Laurelorn spirits are not really as powerful as the Athel Loren ones, or active, or numerous. The nature of their relationship will be different, probably. I still find myself hopeful.

EDIT: If i am not making it clear, i am assuming. I am not positing the thought that Laurelorn elves are unparalleled spirit mages as a fact, just hoping that they have cool deetz based on some sourcebooks we were told not to take as gospel and the fact that Eonir and spirits clearly have to coexist, because they still live in sentient forest.
 
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IronFist said:
Fixed that for you.
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The wiki article actually mentions that Laurelorn spirits are hungrier. Take that as you will :V. Its why i dearly hope that the treemen article saying that they exist exclusively within Athel Loren is wrong, they are apparently one of the few forest spirits of any power that is not actively malicious (Cadaeth doesn't appear to be either :V). With the exception of their two Elders. Those are insane with rage.
 
You know, I think the best part about this is going to be the epic diplomacy growth. Yet again, Mathilde will be immersing herself new cultures and seeking out new connections. There's going to be a lot of talking to new people, making new friends, and just generally learning a lot about all the different people around the Warhammer world. Both for us as readers and Mathilde as a character, it's going to be pretty awesome. I can't wait to see a master diplomat Mathilde, who can blend into almost any culture and make friends anywhere.

Speaking of, I wonder if the Halflings might have anything to contribute. I don't think they've got any particularly deep magical traditions? And maybe we should raid some more Skaven libraries, see if they know anything about the Waystones.
 
Ericwinter said:
You know, I think the best part about this is going to be the epic diplomacy growth. Yet again, Mathilde will be immersing herself new cultures and seeking out new connections. There's going to be a lot of talking to new people, making new friends, and just generally learning a lot about all the different people around the Warhammer world. Both for us as readers and Mathilde as a character, it's going to be pretty awesome. I can't wait to see a master diplomat Mathilde, who can blend into almost any culture and make friends anywhere.
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If Polyglot is on the menu this time, we need it :V
 
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In desperation, they turned to the disgraced Grey Lords, mages that had retreated into the forest to study the artifacts of the Old Ones. The Grey Lords summoned a spirit army from the forest's depths. The advancing Dwarf throng marched into the forest to meet this new foe and was never seen again.
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I meant in-quest.

Far as I recall, the only thing Boney said is that they disappeared the throng, not how.
 
Apart from easier time learning languages, what does Polyglot really do for us?
Because if there is no hard cap on number of languages learned, i'd prefer using traits for things that change what we can do, or who we are, instead of just take something that effectively only saves some AP.
 
Valmond said:
Apart from easier time learning languages, what does Polyglot really do for us?
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You could say that of literally any trait. Considering we will be immersed either in Kislevarin or whatever dialect of Eltharin Eonir use it would be mighty useful. In any future endeavours. "Just saving some AP" is invaluable.

The difference between never reading any Tomb King book and reading some could be the difference of 2AP it takes to learn the language that make it excusable expense in eyes of the thread. At least i think it was 2AP, but i admit i don't remember if there was any hard number given.
 
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Valmond said:
Apart from easier time learning languages, what does Polyglot really do for us?
Because if there is no hard cap on number of languages learned, i'd prefer using traits for things that change what we can do, or who we are, instead of just take something that effectively only saves some AP.
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Idk, but i hope we don't have to choose for a while. We've had a couple of tense votes in a row.
Voting for the boon, and a trait as the next two votes is not something I'm looking forward to tbh.

pucflek said:
You could say that of literally any trait. Considering we will be immersed either in Kislevarin or whatever dialect of Eltharin Eonir use it would be mighty useful. In any future endeavours. "Just saving some AP" is invaluable.
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But it's also a one time expense of ap, as opposed to something continuously in use
 
IronFist said:
Idk, but i hope we don't have to choose for a while. We've had a couple of tense votes in a row.
Voting for the boon, and a trait as the next two votes is not something I'm looking forward to tbh.


But it's also a one time expense of ap, as opposed to something continuously in use
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Is it? In duration of quest, we learned 2 new languages and are about to get somewhere where we might learn 3rd. Not to mention the other plethora of languages that could be useful to learn for literature but we never do because nobody wants to spent more precious AP to learn entire language for few useful books.

The original trait gave +1 for diplomacy during character selection too, but i am not sure if that would carry over to any future vote where it might be.

RE: trait vote, we will have to get to it eventually, during the fallout of the expedition shinies, which should come right after this. I admit that this transitionary limbo begins to weight on me. Can't imagine what its like for Boney.
 
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pucflek said:
You could say that of literally any trait. Considering we will be immersed either in Kislevarin or whatever dialect of Eltharin Eonir use it would be mighty useful. In any future endeavours. "Just saving some AP" is invaluable.
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No, actual stat boosts do more than just save AP, because there is an effective cap of what we can get through AP, same for Avatar, letting go of our hatred of Sigmar would also do so though i doubt the thread will go for it, i will forever mourn for our loss of Mountain Mystic, and Windherder is not something that simply spending AP would get us.
Traits are rare and hard to get, i would rather not spend one on something that saves us some AP to learn a handful of languages, when we can give us options we literally can't get from anywhere else.
 
Valmond said:
No, actual stat boosts do more than just save AP, because there is an effective cap of what we can get through AP, same for Avatar, letting go of our hatred of Sigmar would also do so though i doubt the thread will go for it, i will forever mourn for our loss of Mountain Mystic, and Windherder is not something that simply spending AP would get us.
Traits are rare and hard to get, i would rather not spend one on something that saves us some AP to learn a handful of languages, when we can give us options we literally can't get from anywhere else.
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While I'm not pro Polyglot: there is also the narrative Limit*

*e.g just because Mathy has high learning, doesn't mean she knows anything about advanced engineering, she just doesn't have the engineer trait: there is a limit on just how much she can go down the road because of that hard limit.

Polyglot will up the hard narrative limit on the languages she can learn or recreate: e.g quickish was only possible because of our captive, if mathy had Polyglot she might have had the opportunity to brute force it herself. And might have had the opportunity to figure out the different clan versions.

Now, I don't think it would have been easy, but it would have been possible.
 
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NexusEye said:
The thing is that in this case no one has edited their past posts to include an X but two poster voted with an X before the moratorium was over and the lack of a last edited mark proves it wasn't retroactively added.


I replied to both of them to remind them of the moratorium but they did not edit the X out of their vote despite the fact that their activity shows they were definitely online for a period after my reminder. Intentional or not voting before the moratorium is over only serves to subvert its purpose of inhibiting early bandwagons. Excluding pre-moratorium votes would serve to deter such posts.
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Didn't realize that deleting it was necessary, I assumed the vote would not count as it was early and the reminder was for me to vote again later after the voting started so that my vote would count.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
While I'm not pro Polyglot: there is also the narrative Limit*

*e.g just because Mathy has high learning, doesn't mean she knows anything about advanced engineering, she just doesn't have the engineer trait: there is a limit on just how much she can go down the road because of that hard limit.

Polyglot will up the hard narrative limit on the languages she can learn or recreate: e.g quickish was only possible because of our captive, if mathy had Polyglot she might have had the opportunity to brute force it herself. And might have had the opportunity to figure out the different clan versions.

Now, I don't think it would have been easy, but it would have been possible.
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Is there a limit to how many languages we can learn?
I'm not saying there isn't one, but i don't remember it coming up. Which is why i was asking of effect beyond saving AP to learn languages.
As for bewing able to "brute force" Queekish, i doubt it.
People have had millenia to brute force Queekish, and i suspect plenty of those trying will have been polyglots, so i'm not confident that we, or anyone, could just brute force queekish without a native speaker or a rosetta stone equivalent.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
While I'm not pro Polyglot: there is also the narrative Limit*

*e.g just because Mathy has high learning, doesn't mean she knows anything about advanced engineering, she just doesn't have the engineer trait: there is a limit on just how much she can go down the road because of that hard limit.

Polyglot will up the hard narrative limit on the languages she can learn or recreate: e.g quickish was only possible because of our captive, if mathy had Polyglot she might have had the opportunity to brute force it herself. And might have had the opportunity to figure out the different clan versions.

Now, I don't think it would have been easy, but it would have been possible.
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I get what you are saying, but do you anticipate us needing to brute force a language in the future like that? I trait vote after all is a pretty rare thing and we should have some plans for using it in practice and not just in the abstract.
 
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