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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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WinterLantern said:
Honestly this bickering about Alaric is just a pointless debate about the straw that broke the camel's back. It doesn't really matter as so many things served as stressers and the sourcing is dogshit.

Dwarves can go mad from any of the stuff brought up, Alaric was just famous as fuck at the time and then super infamous after the warpstone shitshow.
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I've specifically addressed and broken down every other offered stressor and either why it wasn't a problem or how he had an outlet for it with sources, quotes, and examples to back up my reasoning.

So provide a reason for why he went mad that isn't just because and provide sources of your own for it that aren't "dogshit" if you're so confident.
 
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[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Middling: Teach those you consider reasonably sure to use and spread the rune as you do. 18 Of the two dozen will be taught.
 
[x] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[x] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [x] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
 
[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)

[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
 
[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
I am abstaining from the Forged Limb vote.
[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
Edit: I lied.
 
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[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Middling: Teach those you consider reasonably sure to use and spread the rune as you do. 18 Of the two dozen will be taught.
 
[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)

[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
 
TempestK said:
Okay, to spell it out. Please drop the subject. It's not actually relevant and it's cluttering the thread.
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Discussions on the effects of master runes are very relevant to a Runelord quest. Also, a couple of posts per every like two dozen votes are hardly cluttering a thread and this would have ended eh two or three posts ago if people stopped taking potshots at a closed debate.
 
[x] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[x] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [x] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
 
[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)

[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
 
[x] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[x] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [x] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
 
soulcake said:
I think you mean the Rune from DD or DL? In which case most likely, but I'd need to recheck it. As for other Odd/esoteric Weapon Runes, idk man give me a few and I'll tell you. Im not a font of knowledge. Theres only so many ways to make killing easier that Dwarfs care to try ya know.
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Considering the MR Forgeflame? It probably started from Glory and Grudges - a Rune that amplifies one's attack power (striking power?) many fold and such. Probably would be a Master Rune too, considering what you did to Forgeflame. Speaking of which, is there a Rune of Sharpness instead, also from G&G? Something most likely derived from the Rune of Cleaving that basically enhances the sharpness of the bladed tool-weapon?
 
I wonder how the other oldest runelords (probably not the ones in the center) in the regions will act in the centuries with the precedents/action of how a runelord should act from the MC. I mean the MC certainly act and react from the tradition that others runelords and the ancestor produce. So the older he got and the more actions that please dwarfkind and the ancestor probably reflect on them in a lesser degree.

Anyway the runelords and runemasters (and below) of the north are already copying his example (in my eyes^^) for some things.

I don't know if was copying but I like seeing the other runelord of this last chapter having two apprentices which always make want to have the MC having more of those, shame that with the need of so many actions to his research to better help dwarfkind that would not be that great now :(.

anyway for reactions to the MC, I guess that the runemaster had info that the MC trade runes if sufficient motivated to so, counts.

And for some reason this chapter make me want to see some combinations made only with fire runes. all of them made do redirect fire, with other fire runes in the gear and trap for make a battlefield to purge/purify/true kill those cheating Daemons. Sure this entire idea is silly. But I will be really surprise if no dwarf has ever fight close (or inside) lava to be sure that the daemon would die (and some times not even that kill those things).

Anyway the MC show 'Proper' lvl of FUN in his traps :p may more daemons suffer from his example. All those runes and experience need to be proper levered for FUN to daemons, orks and other evil things.
 
[x] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[x] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [x] Middling: Teach those you consider reasonably sure to use and spread the rune as you do. 18 Of the two dozen will be taught.

Lax feels like a bridge too far. These are the ones Snorri thinks will share the rune anyway, and there's something to be said for not expending social capital that can be better used later on. If we choose Lax now, it weakens any similar precedents we try to set later, as other Runesmiths think to themselves about how Snorri always chooses the least traditional option anyway.
 
[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Middling: Teach those you consider reasonably sure to use and spread the rune as you do. 18 Of the two dozen will be taught.

Our boi's a Master Runelord! Lax trainings are for beardlings!
 
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[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Stringent: Teach those most alike with your own methodology in how to use and spread this Rune. 8 Of the two dozen will be taught.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
See but that seems unlikely we've seen other Dwarfs do it to the point where it isn't particularly notable for a Dwarf to isolate themselves for that period of time working on research things. So this would assume that Alric is a particularly weak-willed Dwarf even compared to the average when right there we have a ready-made tradition created by an ancestor god which offers a conceivable explanation that's not the Dwarf Runelord is weak of will which is highly unlikely.
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Or assume that Alric was already prone to obsession like tendencies. Looking at the text you link itself questions that idea that Alric was driven to paranoia and obsession during the century spent forging the runefangs. This is the direct quote:
Some say that the century Alaric spent toiling at his forge drove the Runesmith to obsession and paranoia.
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So clearly this fact is debated, by the very piece you are using to support your theory. There is disagreement about what actually drove Alric to obsession. Was he always obsessive and paranoid, with his mastery simply exasperating his already existing conditions? Perhaps. What your text does clearly tell was that the quest for a material capable of holding his rune of ages did lead him to be called: The Mad.

Nowhere could he locate the material he sought, and as time went on, he became more and more obsessed, leading Dwarfs and Men to give him a new name: Alaric the Mad.
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So people did not call him The Mad before his quest, not even after finishing the runefangs. It was only during his quest did people start calling him mad. The text is also very unclear about how long after the creation of the runefangs did his quest begin. It only states that after the creating the runefangs Alric sought a new rune, then in time he found it. The text you quoted does not give us the length of that time, only that there was a length of time between the runefangs and the rune of ages.

So why wasn't Alric called the Mad between creating the runefangs and the rune of ages? Unless of course, Alric wasn't mad during that time. It becomes increasingly challenging for me to agree with you that the runefangs had any effect on Alric's eventual condition. It is very easy for me to see an already obsessive dwarf get lost in his craft and I don't see any textual support for your position that the runefangs caused his madness.

Creating the runefangs may have effected Alric's obsessions, but given that clearly time passed it must have been manageable, or he would have gotten his famous moniker much closer to the creation of the runefangs. It was only his failures with the rune of ages that drove his condition over the edge.
 
kinglugia said:
Considering the MR Forgeflame? It probably started from Glory and Grudges - a Rune that amplifies one's attack power (striking power?) many fold and such. Probably would be a Master Rune too, considering what you did to Forgeflame. Speaking of which, is there a Rune of Sharpness instead, also from G&G? Something most likely derived from the Rune of Cleaving that basically enhances the sharpness of the bladed tool-weapon?
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Forgeflame shares a name and a side effect but the actual power behind the Runes is vastly different. I mean unless Glory and Grudges forgeflame can deform Gromril and even then theres the whole inversely proportionate power to edge length thing going on.

I need to re read but whatbyou wrote doesnt sound too different from any old Strength enhancing Rune. Will likely use the name Avalanche though.
 
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[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Lax: Any Runesmith who has reached the rank of Master is worthy. All of the two dozen will be taught.
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Let see if this is the apolitical one. Since all these guys are masterunes. And they had be the ones ask for the secrets of another dwarf. Which now that I think this again, swallow their pride and ask for this probably show how much some of them truly wish for this rune.
 
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Neshuakadal said:
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Your argument doesn't have any textual support to it you're making a ton of assumptions about what caused his madness when literally the only textual support for any argument about his madness states that it's theorized by some that it was a result of the forging of the runefangs.

My argument at least has that textual evidence for where the Dwarfs theorize his madness to have come from even if it's disputed by some which I may note doesn't mean it's wrong either the shape of the Earth is disputed after all.

So we can either go with your interpretation which has no textual support or we can go with mine which has some.
 
[X] [Chain]: Wait until Rhunkalbrogg. (Turn 41)
[X] [Masters]: Teach them the Rune of Forged Limb
- [X] Middling: Teach those you consider reasonably sure to use and spread the rune as you do. 18 Of the two dozen will be taught.
 
soulcake said:
Forgeflame shares a name and a side effect but the actual power behind the Runes is vastly different. I mean unless Glory and Grudges forgeflame can deform Gromril and even then theres the whole inversely proportionate power to edge length thing going on.

I need to re read but whatbyou wrote doesnt sound too different from any old Strength enhancing Rune. Will likely use the name Avalanche though.
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Don't think we ever got around to making the Avalanche Rune in Glory and Grudges, but it seemed just to be a standard impact-enhancing rune using T2 Mountain Troll parts as a reagant. Kurzak was only a beardling whelp barely over 80 years old at the time, after all, so even a standard stamina-boosting talisman like the one he ended up creating would've been seen as a big thing to his novice eyes.

Looking back, they had a dwarf of 400 being considered a Living Ancestor - Thorgrim Bookbinder, Loremaster of Kraka Drakk's archives. Given the usual age ranges of dawi in that fallen age, I suppose that counts as *barely* acceptable.
 
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