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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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You know, the thought occurs that replicating the shield Valma's Grontis carry would be an excellent fit for our Champion. Instantly throwing up a defensive wall is a very Hearthwarden thing to do, no?
 
BelligerentGnu said:
You know, the thought occurs that replicating the shield Valma's Grontis carry would be an excellent fit for our Champion. Instantly throwing up a defensive wall is a very Hearthwarden thing to do, no?
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Trying to copy it would violate the rule of pride but something similar could work. Do we know what runes normally go on a shield? I'm imagining either armour or talisman.
 
Huh, I was trying to think of a reason to build an advanced-material Gronti right now and deck it out, and only just now realized that assigning it to the Hearthguard would make it useful and give publicity.
 
Jreengus said:
Trying to copy it would violate the rule of pride but something similar could work. Do we know what runes normally go on a shield? I'm imagining either armour or talisman.
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make something inspired by it?

like say a bunch of shields with unyielding runes with rune of brotherhood and ties?
whole unyielding shield wall of brotherhood tied together for synergy effect the more of them there are?

make stand gronti's for every hearthguard, an extra assistant for each of them
 
BelligerentGnu said:
I'm currently working on a write-in for Old Grumbler, the cargo-carrying, refugee transporting, demon-goring Mammoth gronti.
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0/10 not a turtle plz try again.

But actually though, this one is just a plain stone one right? The fun part of the adamant bloodthirster one is that it's going to need a MTraversal amulet to not sandpit immediately so idk if a mammoth sized on would need that or if it's fine?
 
LaggPlaguedDuke said:
0/10 not a turtle plz try again.

But actually though, this one is just a plain stone one right? The fun part of the adamant bloodthirster one is that it's going to need a MTraversal amulet to not sandpit immediately so idk if a mammoth sized on would need that or if it's fine?
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Actually it was the solid Pure Gromril one that would sand pit. Adamant is actually less dense than Pure Gromril.
 
Jreengus said:
Trying to copy it would violate the rule of pride but something similar could work. Do we know what runes normally go on a shield? I'm imagining either armour or talisman.
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Armour I think and we're not copying. But as Gemlin noted that a fair few other Runesmiths had come to the makerstrike combo independently, uniqueness is not a requirement for the rule of pride. And inspiration is certainly fair game.
 
Going to go against the grain a bit and recommend not increasing the hearth guard's size. I feel that as it becomes a larger organization it'll end up more impersonal, and less connected to things. Let's keep it a smaller more focused group, rather than making it bigger.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Armour I think and we're not copying. But as Gemlin noted that a fair few other Runesmiths had come to the makerstrike combo independently, uniqueness is not a requirement for the rule of pride. And inspiration is certainly fair game.
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Actually we can't. From turn one;
""- Nor do they copy other Runesmith's work except as an apprentice!" they finish together just as the both of them reach the bottom of the hill where you were waiting."

As you said those other Runesmiths came upon the Makerstrike combo independently. They weren't copying eachother.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Actually we can't. From turn one;
""- Nor do they copy other Runesmith's work except as an apprentice!" they finish together just as the both of them reach the bottom of the hill where you were waiting."

As you said those other Runesmiths came upon the Makerstrike combo independently. They weren't copying eachother.
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I explicitly said we weren't copying?:confused::confused::confused:
Are you just giving the quote to confirm for anyone scrolling through?
 
Dark as Silver said:
Armour I think and we're not copying. But as Gemlin noted that a fair few other Runesmiths had come to the makerstrike combo independently, uniqueness is not a requirement for the rule of pride. And inspiration is certainly fair game.
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Right but if you see someone elses makerstrike you can't just walk away and make your own. (ninja'd)

If it's armour runes shields use I'd really want to look into what the basket runes provide and how they could combo an MValaya on a shield.
 
Dark as Silver said:
I guess problem here is that I don't think you're respecting MRune categories.
So the MCurrents and MThunderbolts are non viable.
Not sure MCurrents would work as you expect anyway as what it does is make the user faster and the weapon sharper.
The Dismay combo makes more sense than the challenge one. Taunting and fear debuffing an opponent at the same time sounds anti synergistic.
Don't really get what your going for with the walking stick, I guess it would be a anti magic shield that improves allies endurance.
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Ehh, there seems to be a bit of leeway given that a runed beatstick could be considered a runestaff. But your right, at least, in regards to the Thunderbolts that it probably be more considered a beat stick. Especially since changing the form (make it a hammer, ax, sword, pickaxe, flail, etc) wouldn't be actually changing what I wanted to do with those rune combos. The former to create self-propagating lightning and the latter to create a thunderbolt that also inspires dread and creates terrifying visions.

As for the Currents one, yeah that one wouldn't work. The best candidate to get to that aspect would be to take the Master Rune of Blizzards and understand it enough to change it to a talisman or banner rune.

The Master Rune of Challenge does incite the individual to flee if they do not want to take up the challenge. That's where the synergy lies. The fear debuff makes it more likely that the individual will flee when the Master Rune of Challenge is sounded, which is what the set up is meant to do. Those who do rise up to the challenge will do so without the support of the chaff that fled.

As for the walking stick, I'm glad that you didn't get what it is going for. Because its not going for any combo, synergy, or effect. It's meant to be a runed walking stick symbolizing a goal and the endurance to get there. Valaya for peace, Grungni for prosperity, and Strollaz for the endurance to get there.
 
Jreengus said:
Right but if you see someone elses makerstrike you can't just walk away and make your own. (ninja'd)

If it's armour runes shields use I'd really want to look into what the basket runes provide and how they could combo an MValaya on a shield.
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But we don't even know the runes in the shield...
We're just trying to produce a similar effect. Would it still be copying if in the attempt we used completely the wrong runes by mistake?
Two dwarves independently coming to the same conclusion is just a sign that its a good idea. If inspiration was off limits we'd have to throw away the Mjollnir idea because it would be a shoddy knock off of Grugni's hammer. Hell we couldn't even use weapon Grugni runes because they have effects based on Grugni's hammer and pick.
Thor's Twin said:
As for the walking stick, I'm glad that you didn't get what it is going for. Because its not going for any combo, synergy, or effect. It's meant to be a runed walking stick symbolizing a goal and the endurance to get there. Valaya for peace, Grungni for prosperity, and Strollaz for the endurance to get there.
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Okay thats actually pretty cute. I wouldn't spend an action on it but its nice.
Would probably prefer Stoicism, Courage or Determination over Strollaz. Mental fortitude feels a little more appropriate for the themes. Would kinda like Fate in there for the future, but that would mean dropping one of the others... Replace them with a compressed MHearthward?
 
A few serious proposals, including an unironic version of the one I posted in thread earlier:

The Spear of the Unerring Eye (Master Rune of Flight, Rune of Speed, Rune of Striking): A weapon shaped like the archaic hunting spears once born by dwarf hunters before the invention of the crossbow, this weapon flies farther and more unerringly than any weapon fired; and too, if the bearer is caught in combat, the runes grant them a terrible speed, unmatched by the might of the foe; and skill too, to peel apart his attacks with devastating effectiveness before delivering their own, brutal, riposte.

Zharri Dum (Master Rune of Smiting, Rune of Cleaving, Rune of Daemon Slaying): A mighty axe, forged in the land of Norsca, into which its maker poured their cruelty, their malice, and their will to slaughter the whole of Chaos. Its power is terrible to the flesh of Daemons, horrendous to behold for them, their flesh cracking, burning, bubbling under its blows; and not the more pleasant for the mortal servants of the enemy, for the power of its smiting is terrible indeed, and the evil they bathe themselves in boiling away under its radiance.

The Greeter (Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Iron, Rune of Resistance): A suit of armor, so named because those who bear this armor are the nearest thing to unkillable, wading headfirst into danger at the head of the throng carving through the enemy vanguard on their lonesome, enemy blows bouncing off with no great effect from the sheer durability of this suit. A simple, but finely made thing.

Coward-Bane Belt (Master Rune of Challenge, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spellbreaking): A belt of fine leather, ending in a buckle shaped like the scowling visage of a Runelord. It draws the enemy invariably into battle against its bearer, while the Rune of Warding and Spellbreaking make them difficult to beat for any foe, sorcerous or otherwise; a deadly trap, if wielded correctly.

Thoughts?
 
(Sorry, haven't had time to catch up on thread, but...) What about a Runestaff that's meant to combo with Barak Azamar and Zharrgal? Something that's a Runesmith's tool.

That is: something that helps somehow with deep magic and with striking or crafting runes.

Does anyone have any good ideas for that? Though, frankly, "Spellbreaking + Spelleating + Thungni" on a Runestaff might do that...

But, well. Anyone have any ideas for a Runestaff that will contribute towards what Barak Azamar and Zharrgal started?

Whatever axe we come up with, it may not (or might not have to) combo with BA and Zharrgal in a helping-make-items way. But, if we can just have a Runestaff suited for that purpose instead, then, that's fine isn't it? So... anyone have any good Runestaff ideas for that?
 
Garlak said:
(Sorry, haven't had time to catch up on thread, but...) What about a Runestaff that's meant to combo with Barak Azamar and Zharrgal? Something that's a Runesmith's tool.

That is: something that helps somehow with deep magic and with striking or crafting runes.

Does anyone have any good ideas for that? Though, frankly, "Spellbreaking + Spelleating + Thungni" on a Runestaff might do that...

But, well. Anyone have any ideas for a Runestaff that will contribute towards what Barak Azamar and Zharrgal started?

Whatever axe we come up with, it may not (or might not have to) combo with BA and Zharrgal in a helping-make-items way. But, if we can just have a Runestaff suited for that purpose instead, then, that's fine isn't it? So... anyone have any good Runestaff ideas for that?
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Glittering beacon compressed into an Mrune seems like a good choice for a runestaff. Also purification + spellbreaking + spell eating could act to channel magic from enemy spells into Barak Azamar and Zharrgal.

Dark as Silver said:
But we don't even know the runes in the shield...
We're just trying to produce a similar effect. Would it still be copying if in the attempt we used completely the wrong runes by mistake?
Two dwarves independently coming to the same conclusion is just a sign that its a good idea. If inspiration was off limits we'd have to throw away the Mjollnir idea because it would be a shoddy knock off of Grugni's hammer. Hell we couldn't even use weapon Grugni runes because they have effects based on Grugni's hammer and pick.
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Ok so I think that this is definitely a case of each dwarfs own interpretation of the rule. A conservative probably would throw out our Mjollnir idea. For a radical I think it depends, heavily on how much info Snorri has going in, if he has enough info to guess at how the effect was done (either through seeing the runes on the shield or through trading for the combo or just being that damn good that he can tell the runes purely from the effect) then merely replicating it without trying to alter the effect in anyway would break the rule. But if he doesn't know how it was done and instead just tries throwing together some runes which he thinks will have a similar effect that's ok even if it does end up as perfect replica.
 
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Thor's Twin said:
Runestaff of Storms: Master Rune of Currents, Rune of Cold, Rune of Lightning. This would be a tricky one and require some finesse with the Master Rune to get right, but the idea seems sound. Cast a giant storm of wind, cold, and lightning in the midst of an enemy force and see how they like fighting in it. Might need to even work on the Master Rune and translate it to a talisman or banner rune, will not be as easy to tweak as the Master Rune of Thunderbolts. This staff is carved in such a way as to see the eternal storm of Kraka Drakk depicted on it with Brana flying about.
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Wouldn't you want to swap out Currents for Grungni instead? Given experience based on Stormwrath and all.
 
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voting for plans that don't expand the retainer, as I prefer them a smaller more focused group
 
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