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It's amazing how fast things are progressing. I can't stress enough how excited I am about the latest development.
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We finally called Madoka "mom" to her face! Woo hoo!

:V
 
AHAHAHAAHAHA, GREAT SUCCESS.

That's... what, two, three breakthroughs for Homura in the past few updates?

[x] Let Homura tell it her way

I think that Brinapilot will be able to make sure she can tell it her way, now that she's decided to. The issue is this bit:

-[] How do you explain your part?

Because this will call our presence into question in a way that'll mean we have to expand on our metaknowledge to Mami.
 
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[x] Let Homura tell it her way


AAAAAAAAA GOOD JOB HOMU, GOOD JOB.
 
[X]Let Homura tell it her way
-[X] Don't interrupt unless she asks you to provide details.
-[X] If/when she gets overwhelmed, Hug Homura.

-[X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished:
--[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
--[X] You have far far more than that keeping you here now, (hold Mami's hand for emphasis) but fixing everything in Mitakihara, and further if you can, is still what you believe you were made for, quite literally.

[X] Vote in abeyance.
-[X] Ask Mami what her homework situation is like tonight while you work.

Right, so we did tell Homura about Mami's preferences back during Point Insertion.
 
[X] Let Homura tell it her way.
-[X] Support Homura unreservedly, but don't push her either.
-[X] If appropriate, offer to help explain specific topics at Homura's discretion.
-[X] If/when Homura or Mami get overwhelmed, deploy hugs.

[X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished:
-[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
-[X] You have far far more than that keeping you here now, (hold Mami's hand for emphasis).

[X] Vote in abeyance.
-[X] Ask Mami what her homework situation is like tonight while you work.

Reformulated the first chunk a bit, and stripped out the final clause of the second chunk as being counterproductive to throw into an already heavy-as-hell conversation.
Adhoc vote count started by Godwinson on May 28, 2019 at 11:10 AM, finished with 119 posts and 40 votes.
  • [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.
    [X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished:
    -[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
    -[X] You have far far more than that keeping you here now, (hold Mami's hand for emphasis).
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.
    -[X] If Homura chooses to make herself out to be worse than you know she is at points, use subtlety to communicate to Mami that you don't agree with it while not interrupting the story.
    [X] When Homura is done: pause slightly to let Mami ask questions / think / comment / react before it's your turn to relate things, then break.
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary, don't stand for her insulting herself. Being able to share this should help her a lot.
    [X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished:
    -[X] Provide any necessary background information that Homura might have elided.
    --[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
    ---[X] You have far far more than that keeping you here now, (hold Mami's hand for emphasis).
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Don't interrupt unless she asks you to provide details.
    -[X] If When she gets overwhelmed, Hug the Homu.
    [X] When she's finished
    -[X] Explain that you knew her story, same as you do Madoka's, Mami's and Sayaka's. Because it's their story, and now it's yours, too. You are here to help.
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    - [X] "So yeah we're maybe sort of the result of a wish. But we don't know much of the details or implications beyond that. It is how we knew everyone though."
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Don't interrupt unless she asks you to provide details.
    -[X] If/ When she gets overwhelmed, Hug Homura.
    [X] Immediately upon timestop, ask Homura to let you pre-amble. Establish some setting - facts about Souls, and why our metaknowledge lets us call Homura and Madoka our moms. It is meant to regulate Mami's rumination.
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Support, using non-verbal cues when possible. Teach Mami the "listen - listen more - autocomplete - ask" formula if needed. Improve her Homurese, using our bond.
    -[X] If needed, keep Homura's momentum with her in the rough moments.
    -[X] Mami has tons of empathy, and Homura has tons of backstory. Moderate the reaction, so Homura can get all the way through it.
    -[X] When Homura is done: let Mami ask questions, let things sink in, etcetera.
    -[X] If, at the end it hasn't come up, mention how much influence Mami has over her heroic kouhai.
    [X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished. Then break.
    [X] Vote in abeyance.
    [x] null
    [X] let Nomura explain
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The Phoenixian said:
[X] Vote in abeyance.
-[X] Ask Mami what her homework situation is like tonight while you work.
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Godwinson said:
[X] Vote in abeyance.
-[X] Ask Mami what her homework situation is like tonight while you work.
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I think that I would prefer to leave this off; I don't want anyone to feel like we're trying to rush through this to get to the next thing to do. I think that we want Homura to take as much time as she needs to do this.
Godwinson said:
[X] Let Homura tell it her way.
-[X] Support Homura unreservedly, but don't push her either.
-[X] If appropriate, offer to help explain specific topics at Homura's discretion.
-[X] If/when Homura or Mami get overwhelmed, deploy hugs.
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I feel like this could be distilled:

[] Let Homura tell it her way.
-[] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.
 
Vebyast said:
I think that I would prefer to leave this off; I don't want anyone to feel like we're trying to rush through this to get to the next thing to do. I think that we want Homura to take as much time as she needs to do this.

I feel like this could be distilled:

[] Let Homura tell it her way.
-[] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.
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Fair points!

[X] Let Homura tell it her way.
-[X] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.

[X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished:
-[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
-[X] You have far far more than that keeping you here now, (hold Mami's hand for emphasis).
 
[X] Godwinson
Adhoc vote count started by Norad the Borad on May 26, 2019 at 10:21 PM, finished with 176 posts and 28 votes.
  • [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.
    [X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished:
    -[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
    -[X] You have far far more than that keeping you here now, (hold Mami's hand for emphasis).
    [X] Proceed with vote in abeyance
    [X] Political reasoning:
    [X] We need plans to discover the truth of Tokyo on our subsequent visits, including the complications of lying or concealment.
    [X] Is our position concerned with ruling or leading others? Are all of our interests in Tokyo simply summed as save lives, and be good?
    -[X] The most important action for us, after protecting our lives and freedoms, is to clearly understand what we could about who we are interacting with - in this case Chiyoda Group and the many other girls in Tokyo.
    --[X] What is their overall intent, and how do they want to get it?
    -[X] WE can be specific - will they allow the citizens of their city to gain free cleansing in ANY way, or not?
    --[X] When offered a chance to act better, will they?
    --[X] You're doing this to facilitate a kinder world, not dictate precisely how it comes about.
    --[X] Ultimately, clear seeds are a macguffin, and if the needs of preventing fighting over those macguffins are untenable for Tokyo then you can offer something else instead.
    -- [X] You have ideas for how to pass out cleansing without clear seeds, e.g. grief seed exchanges, and if it comes down to it, you could cleanse as a stopgap solution while they argue on what's best and how they'd need to adapt.
    -[X] On the topic of recruitment:
    --[x] Should we recruit from Tokyo, should we try to draw immigrants from their population? Ask Homura to estimate the time we would need for everyone to get used to working together? What's should our deadlines for recruitment be, in other words?
    -[x] Admit your brochure envy: You kind of want to crib from Tokyo and make a primer for introducing girls to Mitakihara.
    [x] Vote in abeyance
    [X] TO THE INTERNETS!
    -[x] Check email. Set up new-mail notifications, just in case.
    -[x] Check back in with #nyantokanyaru.
    --[x] Their reaction to you was a bit worrying. Is there someone other than Rionna going around ganking grief controllers or do grief controllers tend to be super territorial or something?
    --[x] Ask about their local politics. With a grief controller acting as a force multiplier for a Clear Seed, you might want to get one to them sooner rather than later so they can share it around.
    --[x] Also, Mitakihara has infinite cleansing and can accept refugees.
    --[x] Talk Walpy. You are assembling an army. Even if they don't want to fight, it'd be great to have a grief controller with a clear seed to staff the trauma ward.
    --[x] Ask if they know anything about the Iowa group. You're pretty sure they'll be gunning for you and you intend to do unto them before they do unto you.
    -[x] #milesgloriosus and other channels as time and attention permit. Standard routine:
    --[x] Introduce self, you're sending out feelers internationally and getting to know people, you have true cleansing, you want to help, share contact info, etc.
    --[x] Mitakihara can accept refugees. You can refresh grief seeds if anyone is in urgent need.
    --[x] Clear Seeds: Following what you told Nadia, inform if the group seems stable and helpful.
    --[x] Gather information about Iowa and other threats, recruit for Walpy if reasonable.
    ---[x] Can segue from the Mitakihara refugee invite - "We can more or less guarantee safety, support, and peace, but we are expecting some inclement weather..."
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Don't interrupt unless she asks you to provide details.
    -[X] If When she gets overwhelmed, Hug the Homu.
    [X] When she's finished
    -[X] Explain that you knew her story, same as you do Madoka's, Mami's and Sayaka's. Because it's their story, and now it's yours, too. You are here to help.
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    - [X] "So yeah we're maybe sort of the result of a wish. But we don't know much of the details or implications beyond that. It is how we knew everyone though."
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Don't interrupt unless she asks you to provide details.
    -[X] If/ When she gets overwhelmed, Hug Homura.
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Don't interrupt unless she asks you to provide details.
    -[X] If and when she gets overwhelmed, comfort her.
    [x] Homura's GOT this shit. Support her.
    [x] Let Homura tell it her way
    -[X] Don't interrupt unless she asks you to provide details.
    -[X] If/ When she gets overwhelmed, Hug Homura.
    -[X] Tell more about yourself when she's finished:
    --[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
    --[X] You have far far more than that keeping you here now, (hold Mami's hand for emphasis) but fixing everything in Mitakihara, and further if you can, is still what you believe you were made for, quite literally.
    [x] Vote in abeyance
    -[X] Ask Mami what her homework situation is like tonight while you work.
    [X] godwinston
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you know we're about to explain both homura and our pasts, and we just called madoka mom in front of everyone
mami Isn't going to let us live that one down is she
"wait, so when you called madoka mom?"
"we weren't kidding! We are Madoka's daughter sent back from the future to save her from an amoral alien after her immortal soul:V"
 
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[X] Let Homura tell it her way.
-[X] Give her whatever support she needs to be able to tell it HER way. Support her unreservedly, help her get through the rough bits, deploy whatever hugs are necessary. Being able to share this should help her a lot.

-[X] Tell more about yourself to when she's finished:
--[X] This is why you talked about maybe not having a past: You're reasonably sure you were created as a result of Homura and Madoka, much less so the specifics. You have... several different ideas of how someone like you could be made, some nice, some harrowing. It's something you need to look into.
--[x] You'd like to talk to Mami more if and when she's comfortable with that, and its mostly more context to what you said about having a purpose last night, but the second most important thing is the same as you said then: That while these things are part of you, they aren't what complete you. (Hold Mami's hand for emphasis.)

So, I read back over the talk and the end of last chapter, the one where we finally managed to convey what Mami has done for us, and I think that captures most of the idea that we'd need to say about having a purpose, but I do think it's important to note how tie this into discussion and to reiterate it.

I've taken Godwinson's vote into advisement. I agree with the point that concrete discussions of our purpose need to take into account all the arguments about that, and had considered and rejected several ways to bring it up in favor of this (it's something for later) but I think that the idea that we have a purpose is pretty inexorably tied to the idea that we were deliberately created.

--[x] The single most important thing is that you can now ask Mami if she wants to do a "permission to date your daughter skit" whenever it is that we finally come clean to Mado-kaa-san.

I'm sorry; I couldn't resist.

[X] Addition to vote in abeyance:
-[X] Ask Mami what her homework situation is like tonight while you work.

I do want to put the homework bit there, even if we don't get to it this update or even the next.

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EDIT: In other news, I received an expansion on the Homura segment of all this that I'd like to put forwards for consideration.

[] You're going to need to support both parties in this. Mami is going to be hurt at points of this, and Homura doing it at is...
[] Wait for Homura to affirm that she's sure.
-[] Look Mami in the eyes. Tell her straight up that you're not her, but you think you know her pretty well at this point, and while parts of this might be extremely painful, it's also a story that you are completely certain she would decide needed to be heard.

[] Let Homura tell the story her way...
-[] But don't just sit there and let it go unchallenged if she tries to accuse herself of, say, not trying to save anyone but Madoka.
-[] Break if/when Homura finishes.

The front of the vote is pretty short, for all its weight as a topic, after all.
 
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Wow! Paladin is best class, ever? Homura just Whoooshed ahead in her personal growth! Far, far faster than I could expect! She is the strongest one. If I had to justify this referencing some outside activity...

We were engaging in actions - and thinking - that are potentially pleasing to Madokami. Right in front of Madoka. Do you think that counts?

If Sayaka isn't subtle, maybe that goes double for God? This almost feels like a 'bonus equip' to buff our cause. Instead of happening next week, this relation can be healed right now. It is conspicuously coming in the format Madokami would have the most freedom to act within - influencing people connected to Madoka. In particular, our Madoka doesn't need any godly might to get Homura to do things... as a deity, perhaps she can make reasonable requests of Homura on an acausal, subliminal basis? lol! "And then God softened her heart..."

Seriously though, Homura is showing useful insight here. OF COURSE we roll with that. What else should we wish to do?
* I want us to teach Mami how to interact with Homura in the easiest way, using non-verbal cues so as not to trip up Homura's momentum. It isn't complicated, we should be well able to have her use our listen - complete - ask formula using our bond.
* We should pave the way for Homura immediately, once in Timestop. A short pre-amble, to orient Mami is the best choice? I don't want her to founder around. It is also best to divide her attention a little - in just a few moments, Homura will get her right back on point.
* My intent is to make the bump a bit softer. Mami has tons of empathy, and Homura has tons of backstory. React them under regulated conditions, if you wish for Homura to get the whole story out before she finds herself embraced. We know she is going to get hugged one way or the other, the timing is something we could influence.

Let Homura explain it her way - after we set the stage, with items you all should choose. I want us to confirm that "souls span universes, and are otherwise philosophically just what she expects."
This lets the time travel stuff go better by making a context, but that isn't all yet. It explains how we know what we do, and why our knowledge is in the first person. However the information got there, the choice of information is not neutral. THIS is why Madoka and Homura are our moms. Somehow they gave us our 'childhood.' Don't emphasize the Wishborn stuff, just presume it and move forward. In reasonable interpretation, Mami does not think it relevant, we are accepted by her 100%. In this case, the subtext we are teaching is "Madoka and Homura share a ridiculously deep occult bond." But without making Homura blush.
Consider items that will help both girls in the near future, when we continue to help them overcome their vulnerable points.
We would be explaining to Mami, but aiding Homura later. The other direction is also good to develop, go ahead. By putting the soul facts up now, we can use them to argue her away from the Potentialbomb in the future.
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