I'm not sure why you threw this character at us,
@Firnagzen . She's not willing to cooperate, she's not a threat to us, she's not sympathetic, not nearly as interesting as her powers should make her, she isn't creating any interesting conflict, and she hasn't done anything for the quest other than interrupt and cut short far more interesting and enjoyable parts of the quest, grind the quest to a halt for a long time, and frustrate the hell out of everyone. I'm sorely tempted to just gem her or let her go, because I hate how she's just slammed the quest to a halt and I really don't care about her at all anymore. I just want to move on already.
*sighs*
You know, I keep coming back to this. So I'm going to... break character a bit, as it were, and give a peek behind the GM screen. Rionna is, design-wise, a two-part character. She's got useful powers that you can't replicate. What is Sabrina willing or not willing to tolerate in the name of getting that power? The answer, it seems, is: Not this. And that's good. Sabrina isn't that kind of character.
The thing is... do you remember that quote on the front page? Villains act, heroes react, and all that? Apparently, Sabrina sits by and does nothing. Rionna is
meant to be morally black. I
should have foreshadowed this a lot better, with Nadia in particular. She's not absolutely reliable. But on the subject of Rionna, well, I don't particularly mind the notion to call a timestop council, to bring her friends in. It's something that I can see Sabrina doing.
Trying to redeem Rionna? Oh,
yes, that's something I can see Sabrina trying.
But just... letting Rionna go? I, personally, am having a
very hard time reconciling that with Sabrina's character, and yes, she does have one at this point. She's nowhere near flawless, but she's someone who
tries.
Order of which happened first, the raising or the killing, was not clear from the quote itself, so this is an important clarification.
No,
that isn't clear, and you don't know that.
I'm not sure if this is constructive to say and I know it won't be well received by some, but I do think the extent of Rionna's transgressions is being built on a tenuous foundation.
There was a tacit demand 'justify your actions or I'll end you'. That is frankly arrogant as hell for a newbie meguca who asked for her expertise, and a LOT of people myself included would not be inclined to respond further than 'make me'. Which is exactly what she did! Then people tried to backpedal the hard line and say 'oh but if you do I'll help you'. The latter might be true but in terms of dominance mechanics it's still demanding she roll over and show belly. So I think she does not WANT to justify her actions and will not do so no matter how people twist the demand.
There's a lot of people who think that violating free will and messing with souls just puts her over the line no matter the justification... To which I say 'meh'. Philosophy aside, you can put a long list of folks up who killed or raped others to whom I'd say 'puree their souls' just as easily as I'd give the death penalty. I can understand the contrary view, but let's all be clear this is not self-defense- if we kill her over it, we're playing judge, jury, and executioner without a day of investigation.
I'm going to ask you to take this argument elsewhere. It's simply something I'm not interested in seeing in the thread.
If you were addressing me, I genuinely have no idea what 'whataboutism' you are talking about. Trying to figure out what motivated Riona in the past isn't whataboutism, it doesn't excuse or justify her actions in any way. And it's just not what what-aboutism means.
Hrm. In retrospect, I'm not sure why you were included in that particular section. I retract that.
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Now, with all that said, I'm going to weigh in on Kaizuki's post. Yes, it's aggressive. But I do not feel that it's over the line, and I'm going to ask that you engage with it rather than dismiss it on civility grounds.
On the other hand,
People don't have to justify their votes to you, but I will since I feel like it.
This is not acceptable behaviour. Not necessarily this post, but in general context of your posting in this thread, I consider it part of a wider context of problematic posting. You've been consistently civil,
yes. But your posts, consistently, are an undercurrent of passive-aggressiveness nudging. I feel that your opinions and your actions are
not a direction I want Sabrina or PMAS to go in, and I am issuing a threadban for two weeks for you, under Rule 4 - don't be disruptive. You can be perfectly polite, and express your opinions in a clear, cogent manner, but still be disruptive.
I don't
like this option. I really hate having to use this. But ultimately, I'm exercising it because your particular brand of posting on this subject is unacceptable to me.
