HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Fair enough. I just want to do more, because the short updates are tiring me.
@PoptartProdigy, you should probably mark this too.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
It probably wouldn't even be hard to test just add a clause to any proposed plans that has Kakara send the memory again every couple subjective seconds to keep up the loop hopefully locking Yammar in place well we go about accomplishing the rest of our plans and if it doesn't work even the first time well Kakara just stops doing it and continues on with the plan as if nothing changed.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
If you'll recall, Kakara remembered Dandelor wasting her time and irritating her. I expect Yammar will be similarly disinclined to keep talking afterwards, though if we're hitting him with a memory I suppose he might not have much choice?
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Assuming it's rehitting him with the memory, he can't avoid it. He'll have perceived time had passed, but he won't understand what happened during it-
Did we just figure out how King Crimson works?
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
...I feel like I'm missing something obvious here. But what works?
- Location
- Italy
what is it, a stand from Jojo? it kinda sound like it, but i stopped somewhere during the fifth arc
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
She might wake up although it's doubtful with the state she's in but even if she does wake up it'll hardly matter due to the sheer speed we'll be executing the plan in addition to her already mentioned condition.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
A famously confusing Stand, whose powers include precognition and some form of sensory interference/memory erasure/time travel.
(Note for the uniniated: Stands are JoJo's Bizzare Adventure's name for its iconic Mons.)
- Location
- Italy
the spell is automated, i assume it will not wake her up immediately. Maybe if we do it a lot.
It will still take her many seconds to wake up and be ready to act after that torture
I don't know if i'd call them mons..
they can also have the strangest powers. As far as i know it was the first manga to introduce a fighting system different then "pure strenght vs pure strenght, the strongest wins" with the interactions between different powers being very important. A bit like in hunterXhunter.
I do need to continue the anime, i was somewhere in the middle of stardust crusaders (And Vento Aureo for the manga. btw to an italian most of the (italian characters') names sound ridiculous)
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
They have a couple of quirks - most are mostly humanoid, they share injuries with their master, their powers tend to be more entertainingly bizarre than a typical 'mon series - but they definitely fill the role in other respects.
(Of course, JJBA is considerably older than the modern Mons genre, so it probably inspired the tropes more than mimicked them.)
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Thing is, calling them mons is completely misleading.
A Stand is less a person than, to use another Shonen example, the Zanpakuto of a Shinigami in Bleach.
They're a person shaped superpower responsive to their owners will with, in most cases, apparent independent personality or intellect. They're a power, not a companion. They happen to have a shape that is broadly human, but unlike something like Pokemon or Digimon, getting along with, understanding the needs of, and motivating companions is simply not something that goes down with Stands.
So it's a terrible framing. Because it drags in expectations that simply... Do not apply.
- Location
- Peterborough, NH, USA
Stands have been known to reject hosts they feel are unworthy though, so they do have some level of agency. Hm, now I'm wondering if we could do something with that. QI is basically life energy, but is that the same as soul energy? Or mental energy? And where does willpower end and mental energy begin? Multiform doesn't exhaust Qi when it's overused, which means there's more than one 'meter' at play here. Could we craft something like a Stand or Zanpakutou if we worked at it? And if we could, would it be possible to enhance it by dumping Qi into it like with sorcery?
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HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Could it be done? With Sorcery, I'm almost certain it could. Should it be done? Well, it seems off-genre and also quite complicated. Jaffur hacking multiform to let Jaron out is about as close as it's likely to get.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
One more thing, @PoptartProdigy: Maya Webley's Skills > Combat > Hand-to-Hand include an incomplete 'for that matter' sentence. I'd like to know what you were going to say.
WorthyAlchemist?
100% certifiably without-a-doubt mediocre
- Location
- That place...yeah that one
[X] At this point you need something exceptional. Visions show you things you'd think were relevant, right? Let it in and see what it has to say, as long as you're already out for the moment and nobody is defending themselves.
HINTHINT, I choose you!
HINTHINT, I choose you!
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] At this point you need something exceptional. Visions show you things you'd think were relevant, right? Let it in and see what it has to say, as long as you're already out for the moment and nobody is defending themselves.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
You know, he's probably just gonna forget the memory when the mind-wipe spell hits him again.
If we somehow manage to restrain him we can try telling him the story fifty times and seeing what happens. GOD that would be weird.
I respect that, but at the same time, us making a long multi-step plan has the potential to massively screw us over because it reduces our ability to react to what our opponents are doing and gives them more opportunities to interrupt us in ways we didn't make an allowance for.
Um.
I strongly suspect Yammar CAN put up a mind shield capable of just plain blocking out any message we care to send. That seems to be a thing you can do with Mind Delve or Telepathy. @PoptartProdigy , am I wrong about this?
- Location
- Here and there
- Pronouns
- He/Him
But why would he? Unless he somehow guesses what we're doing, all he's going to perceive is random missing memories, and he's probably mind controlled not to think about missing memories to begin with.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I suspect he'll know we're trying to beam memories into his head before we actually beam a memory into his head. Or at least know he's being contacted telepathically. Combined with his irritation/aversion, he may just block us out and decide to finish kicking our ass if we keep repeating the tactic.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
it doesn't cost us anything to try, all indications from kakara's perspective made it seem like it overwrites them being told, and finally Dandeer's mind control makes the victims more credulous combined with the memory spell trimming thoughts about overwritten memories that drift too close I'm not sure Yammar is even capable of realizing what we're doing due to sorcery induced mental weakness.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Let's just say I don't think I want to waste time trying to stun-lock Yammar when we COULD do something more likely to directly defeat him.
Like heal-beam Jaffur and charge Yammar using Dandeer as a flail while Jaffur regains his feet.
Or like teleporting to the far side of the sun and charging up Spirit Saiyan, then returning with a power level of ten billion or more for the rematch.
Like heal-beam Jaffur and charge Yammar using Dandeer as a flail while Jaffur regains his feet.
Or like teleporting to the far side of the sun and charging up Spirit Saiyan, then returning with a power level of ten billion or more for the rematch.
- Location
- California
How do we get there before Yammar does?
And what, just leave the Senzu's and our downed allies to die?
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
first assumes he'll just let us do these things. trying the same trick twice against a very experienced opponent is a terrible idea.
second Even super saiyans can't breathe in space, not to mention telepathy is harder to precisely target the further you send it so it'd be impossible to not tell every human what's going on.