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This is my first vote of my own:

[x] This will change how she sees her own existence, and that of magical girls, for the worst; but yes, you think she can handle knowing the truth, whether she thinks she'll be able to keep the secret without letting it take control of her life and interfere with her, Madoka and Hitomi's friendship is up to her to decide; but she must know, you're working in fixing the issue, and while she could also help, and it would be appreciated, you're pretty sure you can do it on your own, so she must not worry about it if she decides not knowing.
-[X] The reason you wanted to tell her is because you don't want her to learn it throught Kyubey or other magical girls without you there to alleviate the blow; she could also help you prevent this ever happening to Mami, and you want to trust her not to be te one that does something that'll hurt her that much.
--[X] But you also fear her obssesing over it and allienating Madoka, Hitomi, Kyosuke and her parents without realizing it; no matter what, your first priority will be that your friends are happy and you don't want to throw a wrench at their friendship.
-[X] Homura also fears that she may do something that makes Madoka want to become a magical girl, she cares about her, and about all of you even if she doesn't know how to show it, for reasons you can't tell her.

Even if I know word count is only a guideline, the fact that I'm 95 words over it makes me feel that I'm not good a this, the two middle paragraphs are just there to explain the first.
 
Raiseth said:
But it's our Mom's gift on our birthday!
Who dares to badmouth the demented bastard child of a rifle and a shotgun made in Mother Russia?!

Well, duh. I mean, generally speaking, sawing off a part of anything doesn't usually contribute to its increased performance.
It's a good intimidation tool, because it punches holes in people, but that's about it.

I really wonder who the heck that Meguca was. Did Homura have a gun duel with a Russian Meguca, or something?
Why didn't she carry something useful? A VKS, for example, or a Kord. :V
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It was Nadia.
 
Higure said:
A delayed response on my part, but yes.
This bit runs contrary to what came before it--Sabrina suddenly switches from "I am incompetent and break everything" to "I am in control because I am the only one who knows what's right."

It seems to imply to me that the former is the mentality of a normally despairing Sabrina, while these three lines are the thought process of Dedolere. An overwhelming insanity which dictates that the only way to save everyone is to control them--to lock them away in a gilded cage, where their Grief can End.

Interestingly, the phrase guilded cage also brings to mind a bird cage, which implies...well, we all know what that implies.

Furthermore, this mentality is also a very clean hybridization of Homura and Madoka's personalities--the desire to control others in order to give them happiness (which we see with Homura, and even moreso with Homucifer, in relation to Madoka), combined with the selfless desire to save everyone that is pure Madoka.

We, by which I mean SV, certainly possess some of those traits--we can be arrogant, we like to be in control, and we are generally benevolent--but we also tend to recognize our own limitations, and don't actually commit to the more extreme courses of action that we think up.

Which raises the question of whether Dedolere is actually a perversion of our mentality, or if we're seeing the distorted form of Sabrina's actual character (which the strong similarities to her "parents" somewhat implies). That said, it's also true that these two things may be one and the same.
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I don't think this is Dedolere's perspective OR Sabrina's.

This was when we fought the egg witch and Her Familiars (IIRC... Jane?) Notably, we found this witch in an orphanage and it's pretty clear that her familiars were either her friends or her charges.

We later learned that when magic is shared, it conveys an impression of the person with it.

This wasn't Sabrina's thoughts. It wasn't Dedolere's thoughts. It was the witch's.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
If we want a compact, accurate, easy-to-handle gun that packs a punch and is handy in a fight, we should go with a P90 or MP7. An obrez is like making a gunblade--it's horrendously impractical as a weapon, but it's really effing cool, and that's why you want one.
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I know, but
1) Its the only non-magical weapon we have in our possession
2) Making/operating/upgrading a gun with grief defeats the point of a non-magical backup.

If we wanted a MP7 we should have asked Homura to trade with her way back then.

Right now, its all we have. Maybe get used to it rather than pretending it doesn't exist for the sole reason we have it?
 
Appletank said:
I know, but
1) Its the only non-magical weapon we have in our possession
2) Making/operating/upgrading a gun with grief defeats the point of a non-magical backup.

If we wanted a MP7 we should have asked Homura to trade with her way back then.

Right now, its all we have. Maybe get used to it rather than pretending it doesn't exist for the sole reason we have it?
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We do have a rifle too, actually. Homu let us have one of the AR 15 rifles she was stealing, then we asked if she had something more suitable for O&K's sudden but hopefully not inevitable betrayal and subsequent attempt by Best Buddy to disable our magic and gut us in CQC.

Homu tentatively pulled out the Obrez and Sabrina went OH SHINY MINE I WANT.

(We might have used different words to refer to the hypothetical situation).
 
It's unlikely for Homura to have a FN P90 (not used by any Japanese forces, nor by any American organizations you'd expect on any of the nearby military bases), but she does have a MP7A1 and a DSA SA58 FAL pistol in rebellion.
 
Onmur said:
We do have a rifle too, actually. Homu let us have one of the AR 15 rifles she was stealing, then we asked if she had something more suitable for O&K's sudden but hopefully not inevitable betrayal and subsequent attempt by Best Buddy to disable our magic and gut us in CQC.
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AR, then. Could we manufacture bullets via nuclear transmutation?
 
Didn't Homura just let us look at one of the AR-15 that she wasn't taking because it had a faulty spring or something? I don't remember actually taking a functional one (I reread the quest just last week when I was ill...)
 
Diomedon said:
Didn't Homura just let us look at one of the AR-15 that she wasn't taking because it had a faulty spring or something? I don't remember actually taking a functional one (I reread the quest just last week when I was ill...)
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I cast [SOMEONE GO QUOTE HUNTING] because I'm on phone. :V

I'm certain we got a functioning rifle, though. I considered trying doing shooting practice that one time Mami was teaching Sayaka to be Diet Mami, but then that would've been stealing the show and maybe making Sayaka feel bad.
 
Firnagzen said:
"OK... I'll keep it in my Grief cloud," you say thoughtfully, making a decision and pulling a few spheres of Grief over. Homura passes the rifle over to you, and you take it with a smile, checking the safety. You lay it on your lap, looking at the Grief spheres - you'll encase the AR-15 in an ellipsoid, you think.
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Firnagzen said:
Homura raises her eyebrows, holding the pistol by its barrel and presenting it to you. It's a... distinctive weapon, from the exposed trigger group transiting into what you know is a five round magazine, to the top-exposed bolt action slide, gliding onwards to a matte, blackened barrel. A shortened barrel.

You stare at the equally sawn down birch stock of the sawn down Mosin-Nagant rifle. A bolt action rifle converted to a pistol that fires 7.62mm rounds.
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We have a " " " pistol " " " which is actually a sawed off high power rifle, and we have an AR-15. We're actually pretty okay on guns.

Actually, once Sayaka gets a healing power, we could legitimately practice deflecting real ammunition with her swords with her, which would be kind of funny.
 
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Onmur said:
I cast [SOMEONE GO QUOTE HUNTING] because I'm on phone. :V

I'm certain we got a functioning rifle, though. I considered trying doing shooting practice that one time Mami was teaching Sayaka to be Diet Mami, but then that would've been stealing the show and maybe making Sayaka feel bad.
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Ah, I was totally wrong. We do have an AR-15 as well as extra ammo. It was last mentioned when we were talking to Incubator about Oriko's condition, confirming our suspicion that it was wish rejection. So we really should still have it.

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Basically, we wanted a ranged option, which we got, then we also wanted an anti Kirika option, which we also got, but shiny version.
 
I do think that characterizing the Mosin as a "cool but impractical toy" isn't really accurate - we got it after asking Homura for a short range anti-Kirika option, remember? She wouldn't mess around with something meant to deal with her personal nemesis pair.

Keep in mind that we're a magical girl, too - a recoil that's flatly impossible to handle for a normal human without a stock and a well braced position, we can probably use as a handgun without many issues, for example.

It's not likely to be comfortable or have good long range accuracy, but we have other tools for that - and it has a hell of a lot of stopping power.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
We have a " " " pistol " " " which is actually a sawed off high power rifle, and we have an AR-15. We're actually pretty okay on guns.

Actually, once Sayaka gets a healing power, we could legitimately practice deflecting real ammunition with her swords with her, which would be kind of funny.
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Sabrina lowers the rifle and raises an eyebrow at Sayaka. "You alright?"

"Wew!" Sayaka exclaims, dropping her swords and gesturing at the holes in her stomach. "Bullets are ... bullets are pretty fast."
 
Appletank said:
Sabrina lowers the rifle and raises an eyebrow at Sayaka. "You alright?"

"Wew!" Sayaka exclaims, dropping her swords and gesturing at the holes in her stomach. "Bullets are ... bullets are pretty fast."
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*Bops Appletank*

Sayaka's stomach would be the last place we'd be aiming for! :V
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Onmur on Jun 11, 2018 at 11:08 PM, finished with 139274 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] I know you can handle it, and that some things will make a lot more sense for you. But I also think that it'll make the world feel much darker.
    [X] "Honestly Sayaka, I don't know how you react to this, and that's scary for me. On your own, knowing this would weigh you down, and I'm not sure if you could hold on.
    [X] "I believe that you can survive this, especially if you promise to talk with Homura and myself about how you are doing. I just need you to understand that you would not be the only one hurt if this doesn't stay a secret."
    [X] During the Fight
    - [X] See how much Sayaka has improved against familiars.
    - [X] Provide some assistance against the witch, but don't leave Sayaks feeling useless with nothing to do
    - [X] Keep enough active grief on hand to prevent traumatic witch injury AND Sayaka going berserk against what she might learn is a fallen meguca
    [X] It's not going to kill her or drive her insane. She's arguably a near-optimal case for learning about it under the circumstances.
    -[X] Full disclosure, though, to our knowledge 90% of whatever benefits are available from knowing it are also available from knowing that it exists but not actually knowing it -- if she's willing to put that level of trust in us, anyway.
    --[X] And in truth, our overriding concern is Mitakihara Group's cohesion. As long as this group is intact and well our chances of fixing literally everything are extant. We're already the most powerful concentration of force on the planet, and two of us have been meguca for less than a month. Where will we be if we're all still alive in a few years? A decade? Mami has only been a meguca for two years. You strongly prefer to act altruistically as much as possible, but the absolute fact of the matter is that as long as Mitakihara Group is alive and trusts each other, you expect that in the long term there is very little else that will matter.
    ---[X] Ignoring the fact that you genuinely care about all of them, protecting that has to be your first priority as a matter of morality, whatever it takes, even when you're not sure of the best way to do it. Homura is concerned that telling Sayaka about "it" will wind up dragging Madoka into this, which would be bad on a number of levels. You're concerned that not making the offer would be not only wrong but a violation of trust that could be used as a lever.
    ----[X] At the end of the day, though, if she's willing to trust you as much as she has simply by letting you unload on her like this... There's only one thing worth remembering, in the end: Kyubey is humanity's enemy, full-stop. He -- it -- is more intelligent than any of us, and would emotionlessly preside over our total destruction for its benefit.
    [X] I think probably could handle it. Or at least you could with some help. With me around the grief spiral isn't as much of an issue as it would be for others. Even still, this is the kind of secret that can completely change your worldview, the kind that can make you a different person. If it turns out that you can't handle it, well... With me around you probably won't outright die, but you may very well live long enough to go crazy.
    -[X] But that's only half of the issue. The other part of it is whether or not you can handle the burden of secrecy that will be on your shoulders. I don't mean any offense, but you are a little impulsive, and most others definitely won't be able to handle it.
    --[X] Anyway, food for thought.
    [x] You know she'll survive it, because you know her and you'll be there to support her.
    [x] But survival isn't what she's asking about, is it?
    [x] You... think she'd be better off. In the end, when everything is said and done.
    -[x] You don't want to bias her, but there's a thing to be fixed here.
    [X] If I didn't think you could handle it, I would never have given you the choice in the first place.
    [x] You honestly aren't sure. You didn't expect her to handle the lichbomb as well as she did.
    -[x] There are some girls that you know don't take it well, and have even taken their own life.
    [X] You believe she can handle it, as long as she let us help her into coming to terms with it.
    [X] Answer Sayaka:
    -[X] You believe she can handle it. Not alone. But her current circumstances? Just damn about optimal.
    -[X] If she can trust you, you'll do your best to help her come to terms with it.
    [X] Vote in abeyance.
    -[X] Hang back, let Sayaka strut her stuff
    -[X] Comment she should copy our Chibies some time, so she could compare them to her own clones.
    -[X] Afterwards, give Sayaka Kyouko's payment for today.
    [X] I know you can handle it, and that some things will make a lot more sense for you. But I also think that it'll make the world feel much darker.
    -[X] Sayaka touched on it earlier with not being able to talk to her friends: Needing to keep it secret is how you think it could hurt her in particular. That's what she should be weighing.
    [X] During the Fight
    - [X] Fight equally with her
    [X] Answer Sayaka:
    -[x] It's not going to kill her or drive her insane. She's arguably a near-optimal case for learning about it under the circumstances; with us to support her, we believe she would survive it.
    --[x] But survival isn't what she's asking about, is it?
    --[x] We... think she'd be better off. In the end, when everything is said and done. But we also think that it'll make the world feel much darker. We don't know exactly how she would react. That scares us.
    --[x] We would do our level best to help her come to terms with it.
    --[x] We just need her to understand that she would not be the only one hurt if this doesn't stay a secret.
    ---[X] She touched on it earlier with not being able to talk to her friends: Needing to keep it secret is how we think it could hurt her in particular. That's what she should be weighing.
    [x] Vote in abeyance. Add:
    -[X] During the Fight:
    - [X] See how much Sayaka has improved against familiars.
    --[X] Provide some assistance against the witch, but don't leave Sayaka feeling useless with nothing to do
    [x] This will change how she sees her own existence, and that of magical girls, for the worst; but yes, you think she can handle knowing the truth, whether she thinks she'll be able to keep the secret without letting it take control of her life and interfere with her, Madoka and Hitomi's friendship is up to her to decide; but she must know, you're working in fixing the issue, and while she could also help, and it would be appreciated, you're pretty sure you can do it on your own, so she must not worry about it if she decides not knowing.
    -[X] The reason you wanted to tell her is because you don't want her to learn it throught Kyubey or other magical girls without you there to alleviate the blow; she could also help you prevent this ever happening to Mami, and you want to trust her not to be te one that does something that'll hurt her that much.
    --[X] But you also fear her obssesing over it and allienating Madoka, Hitomi, Kyosuke and her parents without realizing it; no matter what, your first priority will be that your friends are happy and you don't want to throw a wrench at their friendship.
    -[X] Homura also fears that she may do something that makes Madoka want to become a magical girl, she cares about her, and about all of you even if she doesn't know how to show it, for reasons you can't tell her.
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