I'd like to comment at length on Kaizuki's vote, taking this as the route to keep stability in the middle of our voting inflection point. Not going to go easy on it, however. Strong suggestions are included. I will engage with details right after my own thoughts. The voting text here could be far more explicit. I want a lot of "how Sabrina does each intention." My aim is to show we are granting her understanding and ability to do these conversations in the future. This seems to have great utility IMHO.
How I see our setting:
Homura is in her most vulnerable position.
[Negative reinforcement] or [negative self-talk] has most likely crashed, and is trying to reboot.
There is a lot of other chaos in her from what we said too. This is the scene where we defuse the bomb.
Cut only the correct wire please,
@Kaizuki
InB4 "All the wires are PINK!," OK?
This requires a infusion of
@Vebyast 's prior vote intent, for the following reason. This information, the existence of dream continuity, has knocked Homura off of her train of thought.
This moment is where
we can give her two, maybe four words that she will be forced to evaluate. We need "the phrase."
Her negative reinforcement is taking a moment to construct a bad interpretation, I imagine. For those who wanted "high stakes therapeutic action," your time is at hand. Win that race. This "the phrase" is best NOW. Say it twice. Then stop and watch.
The power available to Sabrina here is only useful in a short burst. Still no speeches, if we want this to work. We push the new fact in, and go back to step-wise progress at Homura's pace. Emotional thinking is normally on a long delay, and we should stay in emotion processing mode now. Otherwise her everyday repression will turn back on too early.
Sabrina continues with waiting, getting permission, running down the clock between sentences. Affirm, comfort, list resources, push blame onto the Incubators, support. Do one of those, then tell her to ask you something. If she won't, we compose a "loaded question" for her. Get her to use her limited thinking time on something other than her negative reinforcements. After each round of distraction, we can consider inserting another fact in the argument for her finding hope. Rinse and repeat.
The dream is what Madoka selects to tell herself, not the same as the factual information Sabrina contains.
In terms of what to share in which order, first -
Madoka can see Homura's warning. It is clearly represented. Homura will feel good hearing this.
I think the fact that Madoka is dreaming her memories as a cinema film, not seeing all the facts, nor experiencing the sensations is next. There is no suffering for her. Follow that Madoka edited the loop down to a single heroic battle. Homura is her hero. Walpurgisnacht is the monster, and Kyuubey is there as the evil minion commenting on the fight. She remembers the promise too. She left Kyuubey in the dream for context, that means she understands what Homura did for her.
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We have discussed a number of supports for our hopeful argument. And several ways to make her feel better. What we are missing is a stack of loaded questions to counter her internal dialog. Try the link, and see if some come to mind?
Challenging Negative Self-Talk | Psych Central
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Adding this line to the vote could only help? Is this also your goal? Even if we aren't getting to that point in the talk yet, having a clear goal helps?
[Nyaa ! ] Goal: Homura needs a new viewpoint that has her being successful, that permits Madoka to have made a Wish, and that has the loops as a good outcome.
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Right now we still have room to deflect.
This is the event, just out of Vebyast's sequence.
[Nyaa ! ] Immediately tell her "the phrase." Twice. Don't become loud, speak evenly. Then follow on with prior style, below.
## Compose the four words that will defuse her troubles in the future. Consider undermining Homucifer, Potentialbomb, loop fatigue, etc. These could be magic words, if we choose right they will remain with her. Not arguing for immediate effect, other than keeping her in the conversation.
## This phrase is our lasting gift, the compensation for causing pain like this ATM.
## We get back to our near term re-framing goals
[Nyaa ! ] Standing:
-[Nyaa ! ] Tone: empathetic, soft; care to not drive Homura to close herself off.
-[Nyaa ! ] Continuous cleanse.
-[Nyaa ! ] If at any point you feel it's correct to do so, give Homura time to compose herself.
[Nyaa ! ] You believe that, over the course of the loops, Madoka has been capable of continually deciding that Homura's actions have been those of a good friend, who has had her best interests at heart, by means of a degree of autonomy -- of a degree of continuity in spite of the rewinding of time.
-[Nyaa ! ] The dreams have changed over the course of the loops, updating, and on top of that Madoka has developed a set of gut instincts, feelings, etc., in reflection of a very limited degree of information transfer across loops.
## To use re-framing in this manner, we must try short statements. Interact, like we started doing. Gain her full attention by using Q&A. Repeat stuff. Have her repeat stuff. Code the vote to reflect that style? This currently would represent a speech. Homura is in full emotion mode, keep dialog short, and check for her acceptance. Longer passages could be tl;dr-ed otherwise.
--[Nyaa ! ] It's not a lot of transfer, but Homura has been through a lot of loops, enough that by this point it should amount to an average -- an incredibly rough depiction of "Madoka" as though she were aware of everything she has been through during the loops. And what it has added up to is very, very interesting, because there is a complete absence of pain, grief, despair, or indeed any other form of suffering present in the net sum. It is exactly not at all what you would expect if the person it was representing had been put through subjective decades of hurt. There would be something in it to indicate that. Anything. Instead, there is exactly one prevailing theme to the dreams, the feelings, the instincts: Trust. Akemi. Homura.
## Criticism ! Too many negative terms and words!! Do not enumerate the bad stuff. Do enumerate the good stuff. The subconcious isn't always clever, but is generally counting such things. The number and size of good words must be greater than the number of fearful and bad words.
---[Nyaa ! ] If Madoka wanted to give up, if she felt that she was being hurt by Homura's actions... It's not compatible. There would instead have been a buildup of pain and hurt and despair. She would have instinctual leanings towards thinking that things were hopeless, that she should pull away, and it would all add up until every loop Madoka Kaname would be beaten-down and hopeless, her instinctual leanings confirmed by the events proceeding around her.
## Instead of focusing on a "negative thing that did not happen," focus on a "positive thing that is happening."
## Explain it as more of a choice that Madoka is making, to become like her hero? Please improve this clause. Use some relationship focus, show how Madoka is reaching out for the freedom Homura is offering?
One safety we can offer Homura that doesn't involve combat? She can easily reduce Madoka's desire to Wish right now. Madoka can feel heroic by closely supporting Homura.
In her dream, Madoka is powerless to help. Helping is what Madoka equates with her own agency. In this time, Homura could accept the protection of a normal girl. It would be effective. There are two things stopping that, and we just touched one in the update. Sabrina is just beginning the (adoption) process, as there is nothing Homura can say, or be, that we don't already know. And love. Sabrina is offering and delivering on a familial pledge. Homura's darkest pain won't have to come between her and Madoka, with the support of family. As Homura lessens her self loathing, she can have confidence enough to reach out to the one she wants.
Pride or fear is also stopping Homura from seeing Madoka as close to herself. We could be trying to work on that.
If possible, we should understand at this point how we will demonstrate the outcome of Madoka being Homura's equal as the best case? Working in a subtext that accepts Homura and Madoka winning because they are trying to work together is a wise long term goal that has some roots we should plant now?
* We need an assortment of loaded questions to choose from for re-framing support.
* As positive phrases will become 'a thing,' we should make a new day planner page. On it, we ought to stockpile well thought-out affirmations that will be available for Brinapilot. As I understand, we will be dishing these out like hugs. Homura doesn't have many peers, we need to start her self esteem campaign. This stuff helps the homu.
* If possible, choose the candidates for "the phrase" you could use to block the negative self-talk?
At this time, I'll suppose you would prefer to find them.
