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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Simon_Jester said:
Trust me, from bitter personal experience... if a person is frustrating and bad with one neurotic complex, they will be an order of magnitude more frustrating and bad with two. Neurotic complexes don't just coexist peacefully, they heterodyne. They build off each other. It's like dealing with someone who has two devils on their shoulders, egging each other on.
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Yeah but what if you put the source of their neurotic complex in their heads?
 
[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
--[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
 
Does anyone think that the nature 100 will power check that stopped us from going into a frenzy and killing the Dragon was unlucky?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Well if we're using them as a power source, then if they all raise their Ki by a non-negligible amount...
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Considering that all the Garnhulders we trained raised their power level up to over 40k in less than a year....

Deathbybunnies said:
On a lighter note, we are now easily the most famous person on Garenhuld, which will have interesting effects. One of those is that we just told every Garenhulder that we just used this ancient tradition to literally defeat the Unknown... and we happen to be making a podcast on how you too can use this stuff! It's going to be the most popular show of all time.
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We might get a reputation like "Hero of Garenhuld" given that both humans and saiyans know about this.
 
[X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting while harming him as little as possible.
-[X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.

[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.

[X] Defeat him, then show him how All Is One

[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
--[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.

[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
--[X] If he refuses, see if you can seal him inside yourself, becoming both prison and warden.

[X] Tickles!
 
fictionfan said:
Does anyone think that the nature 100 will power check that stopped us from going into a frenzy and killing the Dragon was unlucky?
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While I can sympathise a bit, I think killing the Dragon in a berserk rage would still have had a major impact on Kakara. At least this way if the sealing doesn't work out, we can at least comfort ourselves that it was the only option we had to save literal worlds of people, and that we made every reasonable effort not to have to kill it.
 
I don't think beating him painlessly is conductive to get him to surrender. He needs to be humbled before he considers it and in a position it can fight back even if our power up runs out. Otherwise he will likely just pretend to repent and wait for an opportunity...

Actually, that is a good point. How will we know if he is sincere if he surrenders/repents?
 
Bakkasama said:
I don't think beating him painlessly is conductive to get him to surrender. He needs to be humbled before he considers it and in a position it can fight back even if our power up runs out. Otherwise he will likely just pretend to repent and wait for an opportunity...

Actually, that is a good point. How will we know if he is sincere if he surrenders/repents?
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He'll let the sorcerers seal him before we power down is how.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Yeah, but it also doesn't mention us powering down. If it won we'd try to convince him and, if successful, then have the sorcerers seal him.
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I don't think it works like that? If the plan is to talk him down into being sealed, it should say something on that vein. Otherwise it would probably be taken as talked down and let him to roam free. It is one thing to convince him to surrender, it is another to convince him to be sealed.
 
Cariyaga said:
Yeah but what if you put the source of their neurotic complex in their heads?
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You make things much worse?

I mean, can we not just randomly fumble around doing things with totally unpredictable and unknowable effects here?

Gore17 said:
It'd probably do something similar to what would have happened if we killed it.
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I'm not sure that's how it works. Killing a thing and leaving it 'alive' but dissolved into the planet's ki sound like they're likely to be different enough for the difference to matter.

Cariyaga said:
Never meme vote guys. Remember PoptartProdigy's QM alignment.
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Remind me again what 'meme vote' means?
 
[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
-[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
--[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.

I guess I'm going to put my trust in @The Fourth Monado . Is this a good idea? I've heard they have extra info from RP or something, but I'm not really up-to-date if they've used that to guide Kakara safely or more for their own amusement in the past.

Nervous if you can't tell.

Also, that update was wow. All my wow. Great job Poptart!
 
Bakkasama said:
I don't think it works like that? If the plan is to talk him down into being sealed, it should say something on that vein. Otherwise it would probably be taken as talked down and let him to roam free. It is one thing to convince him to surrender, it is another to convince him to be sealed.
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I am extremely doubtful that an open-ended call for a surrender would lock us out of sealing him.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Yeah, but it also doesn't mention us powering down. If it won we'd try to convince him and, if successful, then have the sorcerers seal him.
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Look, the vote makes no mention of sealing the dragon. From your comment, you seem to think that sealing it afterwards is implied. However, there are 18 people voting for it and unless they all voted at the same time after reaching a concensus, then they voted for it based on what is written. Even if you tell Poptart afterwards that the intention of the vote was to seal the dragon afterwards, they would need confirmation of said intention from all that voted for it, otherwise they have to take the vote for what is written. Given that at first sight there is no mention of sealing in said vote, it makes it llikely that those who vote for it afterwards vote because there is no sealing involved. Since then the QM can't be sure of the intention behind the vote, they would have to take it as written, in which case it takes Dazarel by his word and doesn't seal him afterwards.
 
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Hm. I wonder if that crit on the Willpower check for Spirit Bomb would serve as to elicit an evolution of the Level-Headed trait?
Bakkasama said:
Look, the vote makes no mention of sealing the dragon. From your comment, you seem to think that sealing it afterwards is implied. However, there are 18 people voting for it and unless they all voted at the same time after reaching a concensus, then they voted for it based on what is written. Even if you tell Poptart afterwards that the intention of the vote was to seal the dragon afterwards, he would need confirmation of said intention from all that voted for it, otherwise he has to take the vote for what is written. Given that at first sight there is no mention of sealing in said vote, it makes it llikely that those who vote for it afterwards vote because there is no sealing involved. Since then the QM can't be sure of the intention behind the vote, he would have to take it as written, in which case it takes Dazarel by his word and doesn't seal him afterwards.
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They.
 
Bakkasama said:
Look, the vote makes no mention of sealing the dragon. From your comment, you seem to think that sealing it afterwards is implied. However, there are 18 people voting for it and unless they all voted at the same time after reaching a concensus, then they voted for it based on what is written. Even if you tell Poptart afterwards that the intention of the vote was to seal the dragon afterwards, they would need confirmation of said intention from all that voted for it, otherwise they have to take the vote for what is written. Given that at first sight there is no mention of sealing in said vote, it makes it llikely that those who vote for it afterwards vote because there is no sealing involved. Since then the QM can't be sure of the intention behind the vote, they would have to take it as written, in which case it takes Dazarel by his word and doesn't seal him afterwards.
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The vote says we get his surrender, it doesn't say what we do then. Do we seal him? Release him? Imprison him some other way? There's nothing stated or even implied - it's entirely open-ended, and frankly Poptart can't continue past that point without putting it to another vote, unless everyone else (the sorcerers and Royals) find the answer really obvious.
 
By the way, I know that this is completely unrelated to the subject at hand, but I was checking the last few updates and something jumped out to me:

PoptartProdigy said:
Yammar grunts in acknowledgement, light playing over his hands as he seals some of his worse injuries.
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Does this mean that Gold Man Genocide knows Ki healing or is he cauterising? Because Yammar being the one guy we know that knows ki healing amuses me. He is the only one we actually saw using the skill.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Gore17 on Feb 26, 2018 at 9:27 PM, finished with 423 posts and 55 votes.
  • [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him or something.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting while harming him as little as possible.
    -[X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.
    - -[X] if we can't reach him with words and he doesn't surrender himself make him go unconscious without harming him, and ask the sorcerers if they can force a masque on him to seal most if not all his power while mantaining his memories and personality. Then hand him to your father so he could be taken to prison for the crimes he committed.
    [X] Defeat him, then show him how All Is One
    [X] Subdue the dragon utterly. Stun it, physically disable it if you have to. Hold it in place and lock it down with raw power.
    -[X] Call on all the sorcerors to Seal away its psychic and ki powers.
    -[X] Interrogate it. It calls itself an embodiment of endings, it claims to be a devourer of worlds, and you will know why.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
    [x]Hold down the dragon. Ask the sorcerers "Can you turn him into dragon balls"
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.
    ---[X] Ask both the sorcerers and the seers if it's possible to Seal him away (the sorcerer's if it's possible, and the seers to check if they can see if he'll manage to break out).
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
    [X] Beat Dazarel like a drum until he is no longer able to pose a credible threat, preferably by beating him into unconsciousness.
    - [X] Once that is done, conference with the adults to figure out what to do with him.
    -- [X] Bring up the idea of sealing him, either into a human form or into something/someone else.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting while harming him as little as possible.
    -[X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.
    [X] Tickles!
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
    --[X] If he refuses, see if you can seal him inside yourself, becoming both prison and warden.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[x] Then hand him off to your head of house to determine his fate.
    [X] Kill him. Utterly Destroy him.
    [X] Feel the grass.
    -[X] Have a Multiform in Golden Oozaru form distract the Dragon.
    -[X] Ask the sorcerers if they can make it so the dragon can't sense us charging our attack.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him or something.[X] Subdue the dragon utterly. Stun it, physically disable it if you have to. Hold it in place and lock it down with raw power.
    --[X] Call on all the sorcerors to Seal away its psychic and ki powers.
    ---[X] Interrogate it. It calls itself an embodiment of endings, it claims to be a devourer of worlds, and you will know why
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.[X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    ---[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down. See if sharing the knowledge and sensation that All is One can convince him onto a better path.
    ----[X] If he refuses, see if you can seal him inside yourself, becoming both prison and warden.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, try and find out if he can grant wishes, If he can, wish for him to spend the rest of his life roaming the universe doing good.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him in the Collective Ki of the planet, or in yourself.
    [X] Cruel and Kind
    -[X] Physical: Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Mental: Force understanding on Dazarel - understanding of value of life and connection to others.
    -[X] Seal him in human body, with all human shortcomings and limitats - but also with all human capability to feel. (ask sorcerers to do it if needed)
    --[X] Let adults judge him.
    [X] May you find peace in your next life.
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, knock him out while you decide what to do with him.
    ---[X] Ask both the sorcerers and the seers if it's possible to Seal him away (the sorcerer's if it's possible, and the seers to check if they can see if he'll manage to break out).
    [x] Fight him.
    -[x] During the fight talk with him, ask him why he does what it does, why did he come here, and all that jazz.
    --[x] Send what you just realized and felt to his mind, the wonder of everything being conected and one.
    ---[x] Beat the crap out off him with vengeance.
    ----[x] While doing so contact the sorcerers and ask about sealing him, or at least his mind shenanigans, and if they think is doable proceed to next step.
    -----[x] Tell the Insolent Worm that you unfortunatelly can't let him go, that he will have to choose, either she will have to kill him, or he will be sealed somehow, still be able to live as he is a part of the whole, hopefully after that he will be a more helpful one.
    ------[x] If he denies being sealed or tries to escape, kill him, there is no other way.
    [X]If sealing him inside you is a good idea do that.
    [X] Talk to him, try to make him see reason, try to convince him to surrender himself to us if we can't make him change his mind.
    [X] See if the Sorcerers can Seal him or something.
    [X] Defeat him quickly and utterly, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    [X] Defeat him, then show him how All Is One
    [X] Defeat him quickly, utterly and as painlessly as possible, locking down his power. Make him unable to continue fighting.
    -[X] Then talk to him see if you make him stand down.
    --[X] If he refuses, try and seal him within yourself. You'll be his prison, warden and guard.
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