Don't know, burst launchers are already a thing, and peer powers using swarm doctrine, too, so I wouldn't wonder if 3-5 frigates do a coordinated torpedo run with burst launchers towards one of our explorers (if the combat engine can do that).
Also, starbases and defense platforms.
A question:
I am pretty sure that this has been answered before (probably multiple times, but I dont know how to search for it (brain doesn't work today)), but why don't we gain technologies when integrating new races? Or an RP infusion? All we gain (in technology) is less RP then from a research colony (for an entire advanced interstellar race!) and a tech team if I remember correctly.
Fluff wise. It's my SoD thats having trouble, not my inner munchkin.
This has been bothering me for a while.
Not only that, we can diplo push the coreward polities under competition with the Horizonites. We can't with the Dawiar. I say continue to have EC support for the TF Handshake.
Which mechanic? The Task Force system or Diplopushes?
Diplopushes allow us to directly diplomance a polity, more reliable than using taskforces but still has a bit of a cost plus they're limited in the number we can request so applying them smartly is required. Theoretically task forces can be formed for just about anything so long as we have the ships for it, however there is also the possibility for failure that sets us back a bit but we also get a task force report every quarter as well.
At the moment we are incapable directly pushing the DAWIAR so we have to resort to a task force to do so, which is one of the reasons we have an EC Excelsior on hand to assist them.
A question:
I am pretty sure that this has been answered before (probably multiple times), but why dont we gain technologies when integrating new races? Or an RP infusion? All we gain (in technology) is less RP then from a research colony (for an entire advanced interstellar race!) and a tech team if I remember correctly.
Fluff wise. Its my SoD thats having trouble, not my inner munchkin.
This has been bothering me for a while.
I dont understand the mechanics much, but but is that really worth the loss of FYM rewards?
You get one or two of their tech-teams, a small one-off infusion, and an ongoing infusion. Now, the Federation is always going to be a relatively advanced power, so it's only seldom that there is technology that a new member has that the Federation doesn't already have. And of those, a lot of the time there is more to it than simply hitting download blueprint. The Rigellians started off with better cruiser tech ... but in the wrong direction. Starfleet isn't interested in building lumbering protective metal slabs. They also aren't interested in running parasite craft swarms like the Caitians or Apiata had to offer. Beyond that, even technology that is interesting needs to be processed and contextualised by the SDB, which isn't a case of automatic discovery. Hence why you tend to see these things more often simply providing bonus events to tech frames.
Also, Starfleet and the Federation Council are both very adamant on there being an easily discernible look and feel that can helps announce to the Galaxy, "This is a Starfleet ship and it is here to help." That rules out a lot of what other fleets do.
I meant to ask if the loss of event rewards an EC ship on a FYM (exploring) earns us is worth whatever its presence in a TF ads to it. Wouldnt it be more efficient to put 2 normal Excelsiors in a TF then an EC one?
Ah, so it is done through events? I havent noticed that. I dont remember any bonus to, say, burst torpedo launchers when a race with it joined (Apiata, I think), but I might have missed it.
Doesnt make much sense to me to do it through events, but at least its done.
Thanks for the answer.
You get one or two of their tech-teams, a small one-off infusion, and an ongoing infusion. Now, the Federation is always going to be a relatively advanced power, so it's only seldom that there is technology that a new member has that the Federation doesn't already have. And of those, a lot of the time there is more to it than simply hitting download blueprint. The Rigellians started off with better cruiser tech ... but in the wrong direction. Starfleet isn't interested in building lumbering protective metal slabs. They also aren't interested in running parasite craft swarms like the Caitians or Apiata had to offer.
It might be interesting to keep track of those extra techs in a separate section in case anyone thinks up something innovative/cool we could try and pull off with them, but this quest already generates so much for you to keep track of...
Well those AU Vulcans have unusual tech we could loot and the Romulans could gift theirs as thanks.
Honesty I hoping we get more from our alternate reality visits than just satisfaction of saving our timeline and getting our ship back.
Yeah, I'm not perfectly clear of the timeline, but I believe while compiling the 2320 EOY report, I noticed a discrepancy in the NCC numbers.
There was this conv in discord on Oct 31 last year:
[1:55 AM] lbmaian: hey @Oneiros what's the NCC number of the new cargo ship about to commence in Q2 at 40E?
[1:56 AM] lbmaian: next available number is NCC-3726
[2:01 AM] Oneiros: that's what I expect
[2:06 AM] lbmaian: k
[4:27 AM] lbmaian: Oneiros, make sure to update in your ledgers that the "One Cargo Ship to commence at 40 Eridani A Fleet Yard Berth B in 2320.Q2" is NCC-3726
[4:28 AM] lbmaian: and the one Betazoids commenced is NCC-3727 (not NCC-3726), and the one Orion commenced are NCC-3728/3729 (not NCC-3727/3728)
[4:34 AM] lbmaian: @Oneiros updated EOY audit
[4:34 AM] lbmaian: only change is Tauni is back to 440/500 instead of 445/500(edited)
[4:35 AM] lbmaian: Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 3007
[4:35 AM] lbmaian: still missing the Q3/Q4 Sydraxian diplo rolls
[4:36 AM] Oneiros: cheers
The cargo ships in 40E was actually commenced in Q4, so the 2320.Q1 SYO commence date was in error. Furthermore, the 2320.Q1 SYO didn't show the NCC registry for this cargo ship, as it should for planned ships. So I assigned the next available NCC registry to this cargo ship, when I didn't see the build commence in Q2: NCC-2326.
Then I see the Betazed and Orion cargo ship builds for Starfleet in Q3, and I just put them in my EOY report, not noticing the duplicate NCC registry numbers yet.
I finally do notice at EOY time, which is when that discord conv happened, and when I thought I got confirmation you changed your records.
Just out of curriousity what will happen to the lightning testbed once the isolinear computers are in production. Will it be refitted to standard Cemtaur-B configuration or will ut keep the isolinear computer systems an be used as a R&D platform for improved versions of the tech?
It may be used as the basis for a Centaur-C/B2 variant, keeping the Isolinear computer and if enough progress has been made in other techs, also getting new weapons, sensors, shields and other components.
UP Berth A (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2325.Q3)
UP Berth B (3mt) – Commence Ambassador using 'serial production' industrial park bonus, as only I quarter gap in berth since completion of prototype. (ETC 2325.Q4)
UP Berth C (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2325.Q3)
UP Berth D (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2325.Q3)
UP Berth E (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2325.Q3)
UP Berth F (3mt) – Building Ambassador using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2325.Q3)
UP Berth Z (2mt) – Building Starfleet Super-freighter. (ETC 2325.Q2)
UP Berth Y (2mt) – Berth free 2322.Q2. In 2322.Q2 commence Starfleet Hospital Ship. (ETC 2325.Q2)
UP Berth X (2mt) – Berth complete 2322.Q4. Leave empty.
UP Berth 1 (1mt) – Commence Renaissance using 'serial construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2324.Q2)
UP Berth 2 (1mt) – In 2322.Q2 commence Kepler using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2324.Q1)
UP Berth 3 (1mt) – In 2322.Q2 commence Kepler using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2324.Q1)
UP Berth 4 (1mt) – In 2322.Q2 commence Kepler using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2324.Q1)
UP Berth 5 (1mt) – In 2322.Q2 commence Kepler using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2324.Q1)
UP Berth 6 (1mt) – In 2322.Q2 commence Kepler using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2324.Q1)
Member World Coordination Division Report
Admiral,
With Ambassadors now lain down in bulk by Starfleet, another set of Ambassadors are being lain down by member worlds. Andor, Tellar, Earth, plus the STO are building Ambassadors. With this additional quartet, we are well placed for the future, with a new heavy explorer core to Federation fleets.
A new system of centralising and coordinating builds for Federation members is being developed, which ordinarily would be our major talking point when it came to the structural matters of this office. However, as I believe you have already been advised, there is clearly something afoot among the old core and some of the more Pacifist-faction aligned species. "Alignment" is the term I hear most often for the efforts to establish comparison points between Starfleet Academy training and their own service academies. However, at least once I heard an aid to a Commission into Federation Member Efficiency mention the phrase "Federalisation".
Yours Dutifully,
Captain Charles Boucher, Chief of Staff
Current Priorities
Name
Short-Term
Mid-Term
Long-Term
Andorians
Build Amby
Develop new Mining
Vulcans
Complete Excel-A
Kepler Spam
Grow Civ Shipping
Humans
Comp Ex-A+Amby
1/3 Centaur-B Refit
Tellarites
Save for Amby
Enlisted Drive
Expansion
Amarki
New Eng Team
Betazed
1/2 Centaur-B Ref
Go Combined Arms
Kepler Spam
Caitian
New Fathership
Swarmer study
Rigel
Fortify
Expand Core/Tail
Apiata
Build Queen+Little
Bulk Shipping Inc
Indorian
Scout/Fortify
Gaeni
Comets/Keplers
Orion
Prep Kepler builds
Sell Berth Space
Inc Crew/Res
Caldonia
New Science Cruiser
Build Keplers
STO
Improve Infra
Expand Fiiral - Done
Audacious Replace
Risa
Refit Corvettes
Why not an Ambie?
Trust Feds for Def
.
Resources
Name - BR - SR - Infra - Off - Enl - Tech
Andor - 310-240-10.2-11.75-19.25
Vulcan - 65-85-6.75-10.2-11.25
Tellar - 95-80-6.1-10.25-9.1
Earth - 305-250-11-10.85-12.5
Amarki - 460-480-25-32-16
Betazoids - 90-150-8.65-8.15-4.65
Caitian - 349-436-7.2-9.2-5.2
Rigel - 90-70-5.95-14.8-11.45
Apiata - 206-252-7-55-15
Indoria - 130-150-4-7.1-5.1
Gaeni - 170-130-6.1-5.7-4.6
Orions - 225-205-3.25-11-5.75
Caldonia - 150-105-5.15-5.05-5.2
STO - 217-197-33.9-52.9-31.4
Risa - 310-225-2.05-2.05-2.05
* NB - No new construction ordered yet, this are post-income figures
[ ][PRIORITY] Pick Up to four Member World Priorities to change
[ ][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
Suggested possible priorities can be things such as:
Focus on building a particular ship type/class
Focus on more cargo shipping
Focus on increasing resources/recruitment
Set a target for Combat or Defence
Start designing a new ship
Prepare a refit of a ship
(There is a build sheet available for access on request in pm/discord that includes build schedules for all Fed members and affiliates - priority changes can also be allowed to change these build schedules)
Select a ship that will serve as a prototype test bed to the Phaser Arrays.
[ ][ARRAY] Nominate a ship (10sr frigate/20sr cruiser/30sr explorer - 1 Qtr at the SDB base to install, +1C -1D)
A joint committee from the Apiata All-Hives, and the Caitian government have approached the MWCD and the SDB with a proposal. A "Joint Ancillary Frigate" program would allow them to make a new era replacement to the Stinger and Swarmer that can be used by all Federation member worlds. It would also include a recognisable Starfleet aesthetic, having come via the SDB. The final design work would be performed by a joint committee of Apiata and Caitian engineers, however, they will require a considerable infusion of research assets from Starfleet to make this work in a reasonable timescale.
[ ][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)
[ ][JAFFA] Deny request, the Apiata and Caitians will conduct their own analysis
The Indorians are at something of an impasse in their future shipbuilding plans. With the completion of the life-extending refits for the Peketa and Vendan class frigates, they have cleared up considerable yard space. As a result, they are attempting to develop a ten-year vision for their fleet to take them forward.
[ ][INDORIA] Provide a mission statement
A suggestion has been floating around that, with the assistance of a group of Indorian and Betazoid engineers who have experience developing facilities to construct the Renaissance-class, the means to build the ship could be extended to the Tauni SG Command. This would stand instead of the Constitution-B class cruiser they would have otherwise made. Certain components, such as the Warp Core, would be assembled by Starfleet assets and delivered, using raw materials sourced from the Tauni. But for the large part, it would be made by the Tauni themselves.
[ ][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)
[ ][TAUNI] Deny
It is a starship with all the luxuries and modern appliances! Risan sapientarian aid forces can cruise in style between First and Second Risa! What is not to like?
Also, based Oneiros giving us an opportunity to design the Buckler frigate without the council crying bloody murder. Nice!
[ ][PRIORITY] Pick Up to four Member World Priorities to change
[ ][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
Suggested possible priorities can be things such as:
Focus on building a particular ship type/class
Focus on more cargo shipping
Focus on increasing resources/recruitment
Set a target for Combat or Defence
Start designing a new ship
Prepare a refit of a ship
FYI to thread, we can now pick FOUR priorities to change.
(I'm a bit braindead at the moment to suggest what to change though.)
Initial votes:
[X][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)
A RP sink for our ludicrous 624rp, finally. And closer coordination between our two fleet tender swarm doctrine members along with the rest of the Federation is always welcome.
[X][ARRAY] Nominate a ship (10sr frigate/20sr cruiser/30sr explorer - 1 Qtr at the SDB base to install, +1C -1D): USS Torch, Renaissance, NCC-2617
Per all the previous discussion of picking a modern design that's planned to be refit with phaser arrays in the future. As for the Torch pick, I just like Captain Nalae Veraniss's reverence for her ship, and this would be quite the feather in her "best ship in the fleet" cap.
[X][INDORIA] Provide a mission statement: Join your neighboring super-bloc, the Sarquel Treaty Organization (Seyek, Fiiral, Qloathi, plus help from Orion), and coordinate shipbuild planning and ship design planning.
STO is Indoria's neighboring military super-bloc, and their defensive interests likely align. Amarki is also another option, as they're kinda forming one with the Rigellians. Apiata-Caitian is out of the question for doctrine reasons. Will think about this some more later.
edit: Since STO may be a step too far, reconsidering something along the lines of BV's (Amarkian designs) but comprehensive enough for 10 yr plan
[X][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)
Tauni NID may be a thorn in Tauni trustworthiness, but the Rennie isn't that more advanced than the Connie-B they already have the blueprints for. Rennie just has a lot more 2310s tech than the Connie-B. So not too worried about intel leaks to the Horizonites here.
Plus, Tauni are already close allies (in relation values), and the very act of transferring over Rennie blueprints is completely warranted by that alone.
[x][TAUNI] Endorse this plan (Tauni may be the Renaissance-class cruiser, 5pp to arrange everything, very small bump to Starfleet Industrial Route Penalty)
This will do diplomatic WONDERS.
The Tauni are very, very nervous about people making them dependant. Giving them the whole production setup will assuage that.
[x][JAFFA] Approve the infusion of research assets (100 RP - project will complete R&D in 4 years)
HahahhahaYES!
Miranda replacement here we come!
[X][ARRAY] Nominate a ship (10sr frigate/20sr cruiser/30sr explorer - 1 Qtr at the SDB base to install, +1C -1D): USS Torch, Renaissance, NCC-2617
[X][INDORIA] Build a modern cruiser force to quickly react to incidents on the cardassian border.
[X][PRIORITY]Rigellians should look into refit for Oda-Gach cutters using latest technology in the short or mid-term.
[X][PRIORITY]Tellarites should build 3mt berth to be able to repair/refit their capital ships
[X][PRIORITY]Risa should build a Kepler instead of trying for the Ambassador in the mid-term.
[X][PRIORITY]Indorians should increase Tech recruitment in the short-term to prepare for crewing Amarki and Starfleet modern designs.
