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- Earth
And we already took the time to instill the Patriots trait into the EIC.
Which has exactly that as a policy for the EIC. To benefit the Empire. Not van Hal, not Wilhelmina, not their shareholders, not Stirland.
The Empire.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Which has exactly that as a policy for the EIC. To benefit the Empire. Not van Hal, not Wilhelmina, not their shareholders, not Stirland.
The Empire.
It should be noted though that 'for the good of the Empire' can mean a lot of things for a lot of people. The EIC will serve Eike's notion of what the good of the Empire is so to an extent it will serve in shaping the Empire into what she wants it to be. Power cannot serve abstract concepts without passing though the filter of individual judgement.
Very easy to thread the needle with the power of the Liber Mortis. If everyone in the Empire is an immortal undead under the benevolent command of Mathilde the Mighty, then the Empire is Mathilde and Mathilde is the Empire, and what's good for one is automatically good for the other.
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True as far as it goes, but Eike wouldn't be the only one making such judgement.
Among others, it'd also 'just' need to be plausibly presentable as beneficial to the Bursar, and be enough that they in turn can present it as such if required for Grey College reputational purposes.
... Of course, the Bursar might by that point be a certain Lady Magister Grey.
Or perhaps even the very fiscally astute Magister Eike herself.
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At the very least if I were Eike I would ensure not to live in luxury. For exemple, give away most of her own dividends to charitable and/or religious organisations and live a relatively humble life.
It certainly would help a bit with perception at the very least.
It certainly would help a bit with perception at the very least.
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Poverty vow breaching just means that they look extra hard at you and take away your stuff. So it's easier but to break it and simply go do your thing and aquire resources via other more plausibly deniable avenues.
Right now we and many other grey wizards are happily living in luxury with a small fortune in coin because we can show that it helps our work. Do you want to take away Eikes tower writing action.
I for one don't agree that the appearence of poverty would help and given that she would need to be a stewardship focused character to run the EIC giving her earnings to charaty could very well damage her build.
Look at how much building up a library and lab can cost and realize that she's also going to need to put money and time into the EIC. A lot more time then we do given it's going to be her full time job and to not get paid for that job would suck.
*sigh* Okay Omegahugger, you had your fun, now stop puppeting other poster with necromancy for the lulz. /jk
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Oh I didn't know that this specific case was important to you. I thought it was just an example.
In this specific case, not even eight years have passed since. Just look at how far Mathilde has gotten in her primary research projects in the same amount of time.
Also, I may have a very different read of Feldmann than you do. I never saw him as someone hellbend on the Supreme seat. Nor as someone who would actually bad if he got on there. If anything, a Supreme with management skills and research ambitions that feels like Mathilde has helped him a lot to get where he got and for relatively cheap, who is also the Patriarch of Mathilde's left and right hand men would be an asset. In other words a good consequence and us getting lucky.
This was awesome and probably took some effort. Thank you.
That's what Mathilde and the player base know by now. Finding out how that works is part of the Journeying though. That said, I assume either Mathilde or someone else will let some of it slip a bit earlier.
I also assume that even before Eike reaches Journeywoman status Mathilde and Wilhelmine von Bucht will sit down as peers and hash out what Eike is going to do with the EIC in the long run.
That's not how necromancy works. It creates a permanent minion. If you want Catpetter gone you'll have to call the Witch Hunters and hope that they can deal with Catpetter's undying might.
Its pretty straightforward? The Empire is massive. The EIC is big on a company scale but still small on a national scale. Eike is a Shallyan to boot.
There is never going to be a lack of worthy causes for her to put wealth into. Nor is the list of worthy causes that also makes a sizable profit. Or the longer list of profitable worthy causes that take too long to pay out for most companies to bother with.
There is never going to be a lack of worthy causes for her to put wealth into. Nor is the list of worthy causes that also makes a sizable profit. Or the longer list of profitable worthy causes that take too long to pay out for most companies to bother with.
Tasoli
Life is for Living
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Do we? The reason I have been I have been insistent on saying you are wrong is because you said canal was the proof that Mathilde was enriching herself at the expense of the Empire. In fact here I will quite you on that;
Yeah so thank you for moving the goalposts, it was interesting to watch.
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I think you're over-egging the current success of the EIC a little bit. It's one trading company among many, with a profitable regional monopoly. The dividends Mathilde is pulling out as one of the biggest shareholders is about enough to keep up with her book purchases.
To be fair, books are a luxury good. So that's like saying "The dividends she is pulling is enough to keep up with her lamborghini purchases", if she was a car collector.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
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- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Actually had to double check that your username wasn't Omegahugger
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- North Wales
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Sure, but there's a very very wide gap between 'this company makes its owner wealthy enough to own a few luxury cars' and 'this company is a megacorporation capable of treating governments as peers'. The EIC is still firmly in the former category, and likely always will be.
The name has been a millstone since the company's inception, making the thread regard it as way more influential and successful than it actually is. Arguments over arming its boats to fend off pirates, for example, immediately get people's backs up because of historical parallels to the East India Company that really aren't relevant to a dinky company with a few hundred employees at most.
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I absolutely agree that the EIC is currently not a state level actor by itself (though its got connections to make things at that level happen). I disagree that it will never be. Both the channel and the silk trade have the potential to produce bonkers amounts of money, and bring the EIC to a similar level of wealth as Marienburg.
WFRP 4e: Altdorf - Crown of the Empire, page 20
The current spymaster in Divided Loyalties is someone else, but if this character exists then it looks like Mandred has two grey wizards in his life.
Quite firmly in butterfly country. They might not even have been born yet when the quest begun.
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It's been 2-3 years since we made the deal with Feldmann, probably somewhat less since they actually carted off the loot given we had to learn from Gehenna first.
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- Utrecht
Being an Uncle of Karl Franz with that name would make him Luitpold's brother.WFRP 4e: Altdorf - Crown of the Empire, page 20
The current spymaster in Divided Loyalties is someone else, but if this character exists then it looks like Mandred has two grey wizards in his life.
But QM sez butterflies... so maybe not.
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- Oklahoma
Forgive me if im butchering the timeline/if its been stated before about some thing that butterflied it away, but isn't Elspeth von Draken supposed to be running around nowadays? Shes supposed to be active for 3 generations, which Unless im misunderstanding my math, wasn't that around 10/20 years ago?
That shadow mage would almost have to be butterflied else why would we not have heard about him IC so far either from the College or from Hedi?
She is, and she became the Magister Matriarch for the Amethyst Order about eight years ago.
Also I'm pretty sure the first mention of him in canon was published two months ago.