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Son of a bitch, this god damn wiki, it says that Dawongr means Dwarf-friend and cites Stone and Steel pages 28 and 29. Those pages have no translation lore at all, and Stone and Steel page 110 says it's spelled Dawongi, with an i at the end, in keeping with usual Khazalid rules.

This bastard wiki has been tricking the entire fandom into incorrectly spelling Dawongi for decades. Searching 'dawongi' in this thread gets me no results, while 'dawongr' gets me 19 pages. I haven't seen this level of Fandom-wide deceit since I found out Lexicanum was lying when it said psychic power tapped out at Alpha Plus. All because someone arbitrarily thought that this word ought to end in a Norse signifier instead of a proper Khazalid one.
 
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Andres said:
From 2012 to 2023, Lexicanum's page on the Assignment cited a book called The Inquisition as saying that Alpha Plus was the highest grade of psychic power. In 2023, someone read the book and found that there are higher grades of psychic power, going from Beta Plus to Omega Plus. I'm basing this off of looking at the page's revision history.
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Wait really? I thought Alpha Plus was a catch-all term for "these psykers are beyond the standard scale and it is useless to attempt to grade them using normal methods, examine them on a case by case basis to decide how to deal with them". What does Beta Plus to Omega Plus represent?
 
NexusEye said:
Wait really? I thought Alpha Plus was a catch-all term for "these psykers are beyond the standard scale and it is useless to attempt to grade them using normal methods, examine them on a case by case basis to decide how to deal with them". What does Beta Plus to Omega Plus represent?
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Its just ever more powerful psykers named in reverse order with the +. But at the Omega+ end its only theorized and expected to require significant psychic architecture to allow an organic brain to do, but able to cause galactic scale effects.
 
jjffjhjf said:
Its just ever more powerful psykers named in reverse order with the +. But at the Omega+ end its only theorized and expected to require significant psychic architecture to allow an organic brain to do, but able to cause galactic scale effects.
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So basically the God-Emperor with his galaxy-scale Astronomican psychic effect?
 
Night said:
This was not a romance option. It was almost certainly not a conventional romance even by the extremely strained definitions I've used for this project.

And yet, as a sign of how much someone was loved it suffers few rivals indeed.



I can but do as our god commands.

Lady Magister Gray, Saint of Ranald

It is a wonderful day in Skavenblight, and the Council of Thirteen are horrible rats.

That lasted for a very long time. Millenia, even.

And then one day, it wasn't.

It starts with a bang. An Eshin Sorceror is seen in public, already a rare event, and they approach the Black Pillar. There is excitement, as while it has been centuries since the last successful challenger to the Council of Thirteen, this is a far more qualified challenger than has tried in that time. Assuming they don't explode on touching the Black Pillar's warpstone, of course. And they don't. The Black Pillar explodes instead, tearing the symbolic heart of the Council of Thirteen's rule out, killing the 12th Councillor who was head of Clan Eshin, and proceeding a wave of detonating warpstone across the city, in generators, contraptions, defenses. Assassins strike. The Skaven leadership is not decapitated, though; the strikes seem random, leaving their structure of command pockmarked with inconvenient but manageable holes. The only other member of the Thirteen to die is the current representative of Pestilens. If not for the very public nature of how this started, Clan Eshin might have faced annihilation, but the situation is too confused.

The Clans gather their defenses and prepare for the enemy who must surely be among them. But the enemy is not. In the swamp, red banners are raised. Armies appear. Most are also Skaven, but not all. Here and there is a battery of Imperial cannon, a contingent of Tilean crossbowmen or pikes. Clan Mors and its allies, once slain, now reborn, march to war upon Skavenblight.

The Horned Rat's rage is legendary, but it is the Horned Rat, and its rage is not terribly well-channeled, with many more Skaven leadership falling to its wrath leaving more holes in their leadership. Still, the armies of Skavenblight march to meet the foe, for the city has no walls in the normal sense, being far too ramshackle in nature. The oldest weapon of the Skaven is turned against them again. Hundreds, even thousands, betray the old order for Clan Mors. A plan worked on for more than a century is carried off, and if it does not go smoothly in every aspect, it only spreads more confusion and fear in the process. In desperation, Skreech Verminking itself is summoned to lead the army.

The daemon prince of the Horned Rat is met by a human in a grey cloak and a tall hat. One who has no face, about whom the mists of the swamp in morning curl in a loving caress. But the Horned Rat knows who this is, even if no mortal can quite seem to remember. She is the leader of Mors now, the avatar of vengeance for a Clan abandoned by its god and its race, and the very fact of her nameless, faceless nature as she passes unseen and unnoticed was part of why so many Eshin chose to join her, and considered a sign of her near-divinity among many of her other furred followers. After all, their new god prowls unseen.

"The Skaven will serve the Horned Rat for eternity!"

"They were never yours. Qrech taught me that."

And as Skreech Verminking falls under one of the finest Dwarven blades made in the last millenia, the Horned Rat finds itself sitting at a table, facing a man who always smiles, never blinks, and has every ace that has ever existed up his sleeve. And in a very real sense, the Horned Rat has already lost.
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"I hear they call themselves the Numerous."
"Wasn't it New Mor ROUS?"
"Why do they suddenly worship Mor?"
 
From what I know, "psychic measure" in WH40k goes (from strongest to weakest): Alpha+, Alpha, Beta, Kappa?, Epsilon.

There appears "Omega" measure, but this rank (and Omega Minus) is assigned to powerful Blanks, not psykers
 
Adrian XXIV said:
From what I know, "psychic measure" in WH40k goes (from strongest to weakest): Alpha+, Alpha, Beta, Kappa?, Epsilon.

There appears "Omega" measure, but this rank (and Omega Minus) is assigned to powerful Blanks, not psykers
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right, but after Alpha+ it goes to Beta+ and so on all the way back through to Omega+

Edit: its from The Inquisition: An illustrated guide to all the secret protectors of the Imperium on page 67.
Edit2: Course this might easily no longer be cannon or the like... its not exactly like the 40k stuff is all compliant with each other perfectly
 
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Adrian XXIV said:
From what I know, "psychic measure" in WH40k goes (from strongest to weakest): Alpha+, Alpha, Beta, Kappa?, Epsilon.

There appears "Omega" measure, but this rank (and Omega Minus) is assigned to powerful Blanks, not psykers
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I think if I've interpreted things correctly psykers beyond Alpha go into Alpha Plus and beyond and powerful blanks go into Omega Minus and beyond with the difference between a super-powerful psyker and and super-powerful blank is whether their grade is suffixed with a Plus or Minus.
 
This is exactly what I mean. Everyone from casual readers to fanfiction writers to quest GMs to lore youtubers have been saying that Alpha Plus is the highest grade for over a decade all because of what Lexicanum said, which was a lie.

Ironically, I found out about this because Adeptus Ridiculous did an episode on psychic powers and they freshly looked at the updated Lexicanum page to get their lore; they didn't see how it was before. It threw me off when I was first listening to it; I thought they were reciting ancient outdated lore from the early 90s or something.
 
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Son of a bitch, this god damn wiki, it says that Dawongr means Dwarf-friend and cites Stone and Steel pages 28 and 29. Those pages have no translation lore at all, and Stone and Steel page 110 says it's spelled Dawongi, with an i at the end, in keeping with usual Khazalid rules.

This bastard wiki has been tricking the entire fandom into incorrectly spelling Dawongi for decades. Searching 'dawongi' in this thread gets me no results, while 'dawongr' gets me 19 pages. I haven't seen this level of Fandom-wide deceit since I found out Lexicanum was lying when it said psychic power tapped out at Alpha Plus. All because someone arbitrarily thought that this word ought to end in a Norse signifier instead of a proper Khazalid one.
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That can't be the source of that spelling, the page edit was made in 2018 and I know for certain that there were references to Dawongr made on SV before then, like this one. I just checked Tome of Salvation and it's in there too.
 
Andres said:
Son of a bitch, this god damn wiki, it says that Dawongr means Dwarf-friend and cites Stone and Steel pages 28 and 29. Those pages have no translation lore at all, and Stone and Steel page 110 says it's spelled Dawongi, with an i at the end, in keeping with usual Khazalid rules.

This bastard wiki has been tricking the entire fandom into incorrectly spelling Dawongi for decades. Searching 'dawongi' in this thread gets me no results, while 'dawongr' gets me 19 pages. I haven't seen this level of Fandom-wide deceit since I found out Lexicanum was lying when it said psychic power tapped out at Alpha Plus. All because someone arbitrarily thought that this word ought to end in a Norse signifier instead of a proper Khazalid one.
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You know, if you notice something in the wiki that should be corrected, you could change yourself.

In this case, as mentioned, it comes up twice in Tome of Salvation, so at bare minimum, even though it was incorrect to cite Stone and Steel, it is in fact a valid term.
 
Honourkeeper, published two years after Tome of Salvation 2009, uses 'dawongi'. 3e's Book of Grudges and 4e's Dwarf Player's Guide don't weigh in one way or the other, nor did Grudgelore or any other book in 2e I checked. I'm kind of wondering whether the writers of ToS might have misread Stone and Steel or some setting bible.

Grammatically I think it could go either way - a terminal R appearing after a consonant only appears with double R or with the word 'dawr', but there being that connection between dawr and dawongr makes sense.
 
Boney said:
Honourkeeper, published two years after Tome of Salvation 2009, uses 'dawongi'. 3e's Book of Grudges and 4e's Dwarf Player's Guide don't weigh in one way or the other, nor did Grudgelore or any other book in 2e I checked. I'm kind of wondering whether the writers of ToS might have misread Stone and Steel or some setting bible.
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4e Archives of the Empire Vol 1 has Dawongr.

I'm wondering- page 29 of S&S has a section talking about Dwarf-Friends in Zhufbar, but doesn't give a Khazalid translation, but the rendition of that passage on the wiki does include one, using Dawongr.

Could there be an alternative version of S&S that uses that word there?
 
Of possible relevance is that elgi (elves) has a derivative elgongi (elf-friends), and this one I checked in the novel cited:
So too did the skarrenawi, the dwarfs of the hills who had chosen to eschew solid earth and stone for the promise of sky and the warmth of the sun. Elgongi some mountain dwarfs called them, 'elf-friends'. It was meant as an insult.
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Boney said:
Grammatically I think it could go either way - a terminal R appearing after a consonant only appears with double R or with the word 'dawr', but there being that connection between dawr and dawongr makes sense.
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Dawr is listed as an adjective, with Bardin using dawri to refer to people. I guess dawongr works if you're trying to say 'friendly with dwarves'?
 
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