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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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pucflek said:
Honestly, more gods are like this thought, so i do not feel it is fitting to really add this to comparison. We think that Kurnous might be an aspect of Taal (and vice versa, to not insult the elves :V), Khaine of elves and Khaine of humans is actually a rather different god, Manaan is somewhat different across the species also.
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Yeah, but we do have some level of evidence for the Ranald stuff while all the other deities cap out at speculation.

Reminder that we saw some Qu'aph stuff and IC went "Oh, hey Ranald" and a Dragon saw Ranalds energy and went "oh, look, I recognize that from Loec stuff."

Now, it could just be similarity. Like, maybe it's the same type of Divine Energy and everyone is just recognizing the type? Something like that.

It's still got a lot more backing it up than the other "these gods are similar, probably the same being" theories.
 
I suppose that could also be three or four or whatever separate beings, all cooperating and drawing from the same well of divine power (and thus having the same 'signature'). Ranalds Ascension then being him finding a way to join the Trickster God Club and join them under the cloak.
 
Could be that domains are separate from the gods that they belong to - Qu'aph used to use the trickster archetype a long time ago, and Loec and Ranald share portfolios a bit.
 
IronFist said:
Thorgrim: i want to talk to your loremaster.
Belebro: ok

Months later... Still no loremaster chat.
Thorgrim: tell your loremaster i want to talk to them.
Belebro: ok.
--
Belegar: thorgrim wants to talk to you.
Mathilde: ok

Months later: Still no loremaster chat.

Thorgrim: send me your loremaster, i want to talk to her.
Belegar: ok
--
Belegar: go see thorgrim
Loremaster McLongplaits: ok
--
Thorgrim: who are you?
Loremaster McLongplaits: king Belegar's loremaster
==
Meanwhile in k8p
Belegar: i can see why Mathilde does this.
:V
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"The radio said "No, Belegar. You are the Vogons."
And then, Belegar was a Bureaucrat.
Akasha said:
The answer is evidently to create Burrito-selling Ringwraiths, and then spread the belief that the Burritos are tasty. Humanity will take care of everything else, and we will quickly become known as the owners of the first fast food franchise in Warhammer Fantasy.
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As someone who does not know much about the setting, the whole "turning into a dragon is a good argument" line hit a lot harder than expected (by which I mean, I laughed). On a different note, being inspired by the duels might be good flavour to study some mage duelling skills. I guess greys would rarely challenge, since they aren't much about the frontal approach, but I am now wondering whether there is some sort of antimagic potential in their lore. Uncertainty and confusion seem like nice ways to mess with other people's spells, potentially even after they have been cast. Is there something like that that doesn't just lead to dhar?
 
chaetopterus said:
As someone who does not know much about the setting, the whole "turning into a dragon is a good argument" line hit a lot harder than expected (by which I mean, I laughed). On a different note, being inspired by the duels might be good flavour to study some mage duelling skills. I guess greys would rarely challenge, since they aren't much about the frontal approach, but I am now wondering whether there is some sort of antimagic potential in their lore. Uncertainty and confusion seem like nice ways to mess with other people's spells, potentially even after they have been cast. Is there something like that that doesn't just lead to dhar?
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Light magic or Lore of the Hag is the closest to anti-magic (if anti-chaos counts), and greys are great at duals with mindrazer, pendulum and Pit.

it's just that they have to A: not like the other guy, or B: trust them not to die even when facing one of the most lethal winds when they put their mind to it.
 
I remember that Heidi's kid had a chance to get the "Magician" aspect of Ranald.

If Ranald is 4 different gods does that mean that we would have created a god through our actions? Or some other god would have joined the Ranald Divine Gang?
 
I personally lean towards "gods with similar profiles seem similar".

I don't know, all deities of a sort from all the different cultures secretly being the same one just feels dull to me.
 
Mopman43 said:
I personally lean towards "gods with similar profiles seem similar".

I don't know, all deities of a sort from all the different cultures secretly being the same one just feels dull to me.
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BoneyM said:
"I have heard of some worshipping Kurnous in Talabecland." you concede.

"Yes, I suppose you would have," he says in an amused tone.

"Are you suggesting that Taal and Kurnous are the same?" you ask directly. Cryptic asides are a lot more fun when you're the one making them.

Asarnil smiles archly. "Are you going to suggest that he isn't? That there's two horned Gods of the hunt, two Kings of the wilderness, two husbands to the Goddess of fertility and bounty?"

"Rhya isn't Isha," Deathfang interrupts around a mouthful of beef.

"What?" Asarnil says, taken aback.

"Rhya isn't Isha," Deathfang repeats. "Draugnir joined with your Gods, but Radixashen joined with Rhya. I know not of Kurnous and Taal, but Rhya and Isha are two different beings."
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Deathfang seems quite certain that Rhya is not Isha even though they are very similar.

On the other hand, he claimed that Mathilde was glowing with Loecs energy.

If there is one god that I could see having several different identities it would be Ranald.
 
I'm going for a bit of both.

Some gods got a few hats, some gods share hats, some gods fight over who gets the hat, some only pull out a particular hat when they want to be shady, and some are quite happy with their one good hat, thank you very much.
 
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Mopman43 said:
I personally lean towards "gods with similar profiles seem similar".

I don't know, all deities of a sort from all the different cultures secretly being the same one just feels dull to me.
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I don't think all similar deities are the same deity, but in some cases they're either the same or they're identical twins. For instance Morai-heg and Morr.
 
kingreaper said:
I don't think all similar deities are the same deity, but in some cases they're either the same or they're identical twins. For instance Morai-heg and Morr.
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I don't know, I think there's other explanations you can come up with.

A god of the dead being associated with prophecy seems relatively straightforward- knowing the day everyone will die and such. They certainly are described differently in tone, relations with other gods, how they're treated by mortals. Morai-heg doesn't have an association with dreams that I'm aware of.

(I doubt Dwarfs truck much with prophecy, so it makes sense that Gazul has no relation)
 
Mopman43 said:
I don't know, I think there's other explanations you can come up with.

A god of the dead being associated with prophecy seems relatively straightforward- knowing the day everyone will die and such. They certainly are described differently in tone, relations with other gods, how they're treated by mortals. Morai-heg doesn't have an association with dreams that I'm aware of.

(I doubt Dwarfs truck much with prophecy, so it makes sense that Gazul has no relation)
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Look at real world gods/spirits/incarnates of death - how many are also gods of prophecy? Only one I can think of is Atropos, and she's a minor aspect of greek myth who exists alongside several other death entities (most notably Thanatos and Hades) that lack any such connection with prophecy - and several prophecy sources that lack a connection with death (such as Apollo).

There's a way to logic up a connection, sure, but it's not a connection that happens commonly so it's rather implausible for Morai-heg and Morr to have similar names and both be death+prophecy if they're entirely independent entities.

Things make much more sense if they both fork from a common root, like identical twins separating in the womb, or if they're actually different names for the same entity.
 
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