It should be noted that even our Volans grade mage sight is not enough to recognize any approved god, only the ones we are familiar with like Ranald, Morr and maybe Mork. Even assuming the Al Ulric had mage-sight as good as ours where would he have gotten significant familiarity with Ranald?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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It should be noted that even our Volans grade mage sight is not enough to recognize any approved god, only the ones we are familiar with like Ranald, Morr and maybe Mork. Even assuming the Al Ulric had mage-sight as good as ours where would he have gotten significant familiarity with Ranald?
In comparison, the Grand Theogonist might think we have some sigmarite beliefs because of rumour and hearsay, but will probably notice a real lack of Sigmar anything from us, and a whole lot of Ranald, if he ever talked to us.
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- Russia
Worse reasons to die "not of Ulric" include Chaos mutation and (second) death after necromantic reanimation.
FlyingScanian
Tea Addict
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- Land of Eternal Night
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- He/Him
I'm honestly not seeing the funny. I'm just seeing complaining that the thread voted "wrong", and constantly trying to relitigate a contentious old vote. Omegahugger manages to be silly enough that it is at least kind of amusing, at least.
(Edit: also, my commendations to people who routinely phone-post…)
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At the Grand Conclaves that Ranaldian high priests keep turning up to despite the fact that they are never invited, perhaps?
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Not despite, because.
If they really did not want Ranaldians to come they should start sending invitations.
Simply glimpsing a priest does not seem like enough for familiarity. By that logic Mathilde would be familiar with Ulric which she is not.
Well, we voted against being High Priest, so...
I do not see why they administrative position of high priest would make us any better at identifying gods, unless you meant something else?
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A) The priest's attendance is via miracle. Yes, Ranaldite miracles tend to be subtle, but that's still going to leave a mark
B) High Priests will often have holy relics, like Mathilde's.
C) Someone who spends their life staring into the Divine is likely to have better divine-sense than someone who spends it staring into the winds, through pure practise.
D) Even if he didn't recognise Ranald beforehand: "Here's a grey wizard, blessed by a non-chaos god that isn't Ulric, Sigmar, Morr, Verena or Shallya."= probably Ranald
Akasha
The Only Truth
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Let's not forget that Mathilde, from an outside point of view, is as Ulrican as a Grey Wizard can be, without wielding actual Ulrican relics or symbols and preaching the word of Ulric. She's a Grey Wizard who appears to subscribe to the Malfean School of Stealth, wields a giant fucking Runic Greatsword roughly her size, prefers to charge into pitched melee over casting from distance and challenges everything she stumbles on, including empowered Khornate Champions, Great Daemons, Vampires and actual armies. Usually in melee.
If I had access to even half of this knowledge and sensed divinity from Mathilde, I'd assume she is Ulrican or Sigmarite myself, and anything I sense that contradicts this assumption is interference from the spooky shadow magics in her soul. You know, like that Sigmarite Wizard who scouted us out a while back and immediately assumed we're a faithful devotee of Sigmar. The last thing I'd expect is someone like Mathilde being a freaking Ranaldian.
If I had access to even half of this knowledge and sensed divinity from Mathilde, I'd assume she is Ulrican or Sigmarite myself, and anything I sense that contradicts this assumption is interference from the spooky shadow magics in her soul. You know, like that Sigmarite Wizard who scouted us out a while back and immediately assumed we're a faithful devotee of Sigmar. The last thing I'd expect is someone like Mathilde being a freaking Ranaldian.
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Where did I say anything about "glimpsing"? The Ar-Ulric has presumably spoken to and engaged with dozens of Ranadlian priests over the years, as both he and they attend the Conclave, which is basically an excuse to stick a bunch of priests in a room, have them yell at each other for a few days, and then they go home without needing to war on each other.
- The priest knowing about the place is a miracle, there is no reason to assume that communication is done where other people can see it and indeed given the nature of Ranald it likely is not
- Assuming he can even see divine relics of the god of sneakiness which I do not think is a given
- That is assuming the Al Ulric spelt a significant amount of time on that sort of contemplation as opposed to smashing heads and talking to wolves and again it would likely need significant and rare natural talent
- Inference is not the same thing as the sort of knowing that was mentioned at the start of this conversation
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He would recognise Ranaldite influence from those pesky priests that just keep showing up. No matter where they put the Conclave.
Administrative position gives frequent meetings with people who (should) have strong aura of their god. We do not have the skill to see people's gods, because we do not have as much practice with that as Al-Ulric does. We might have if we have went full Ranald route and actually attended gigh level religious meetings.
Tolkein set up his cosmology deliberately. One key distinction is that Eru alone is capable of creating existence out of nothingness, while all the Valar and Maiar can only shape that existence.
If one wants to argue that there is no distinction between an angel and a god, then things get fuzzier, but if we accept that there is a difference, "spiritual beings created by a singular creator-god who willed the world into existence, who serve said creator-god and whose authority is delegated from said creator" looks a lot more like "angel" than "god."
Seriously, drop it.
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- North Wales
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The secret is how he conjures rabbits out of ulgu. They are clearly some esoteric (but tasty) form of apparition.
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- USA
And in the meantime we're stuck with un-tasty burritos?
Akasha
The Only Truth
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The answer is evidently to create Burrito-selling Ringwraiths, and then spread the belief that the Burritos are tasty. Humanity will take care of everything else, and we will quickly become known as the owners of the first fast food franchise in Warhammer Fantasy.
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- Utrecht
My friend still doesn't get the burrito joke.
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- Utrecht
My brain is weeping. Ια! Ια! Burrito Ftaghn!
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I would like to take this opportunity and remind the thread that the non-Chaos God who has given Mathilde the second-most blessings is Mork.
This is not something that the Ar-Ulric would consider, and I think that denotes a very large hole in the Empire's theological defenses.
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
Nobody expects the Orkish Inquisition!
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