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Also, gods above and below, I dearly wish that all prospective Wizards would get a similar treatment as we have done with Eike. Letting them chose what suits them best.

Perhaps something to lobby for with Dragomas: Setting up a hall to test newcomers instead of just tossing them into the preferred school of their finder.
Perhaps we could create some sort of…hat, that could sort them into Colleges they are best suited for?
 
@BoneyM any chance you will spill what could have been her choice if mathy and Wilm didn't tilt things to the grey college?

It sounded like she was leaning Light to me ' Complex rendered simple' might feel nice to a girl that has had a complex, rollercoaster life.

I don't know, I don't start thinking about how the next update is going to go until a trend emerges from the voting at the very earliest, and I don't know what my thought process would have been with a different set of votes.
 
More to do with a confluence of factors:
-The Celestial College grew out of ivory tower academics. They value scholarship and disdain brawn(relatively).
--Hubert is a devout Ulrican, he values the exact opposite.

-The Celestial College greatly values Mystical Azyr and their major prestige and moneymakers are based off it. Status in the College correlates significantly to your ability at the Mystical.
--Hubert is talented at Elemental Azyr.
--Hubert is also of noble origins and really not all that pleased with his status due to that gap.

Its about the people using the Wind, not the Wind itself for him.
E:super duper eshined by the whole clan
Look, we're going to see the Eonir and we still have that ticket for a Fun Time in Nagarythe. We know Hubert's problem, if we run into elven users of Elemental Azyr, we'll ask them to help. Actually, this could really work if the Eonir have any specialty users of it - what are the odds that they'd like to 'improve' the thing Teclis made? That's gotta be worth bragging points, right?
 
I wonder if there is a paper in indirect wind herding for the narrow purpose of showing potentials the winds. I mean sure it is not the magical revolution we hoped for, but it is something useful at least.

Sidenote: I think this is the first time the Greys have had an apprentice air-dropped by dwarfs. That should make for an interesting bit of gossip around the campus.
 
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Now, is that true? No, of course not there will always be someone who knows it better than you when it comes to this sort of stuff, but that "I know something you don't know" feeling probably sounds pretty empowering to a child growing up around merchants and diplomats in a way that throwing around fire and death rays doesn't.
I mean, technically it is? If other Grey Wizards were to describe their relationship with Ulgu, they'd call it different things. Lots of people know Ulgu, but you can count on one hand the number of people that will know it the same way Eike will.
 
I mean, technically it is? If other Grey Wizards were to describe their relationship with Ulgu, they'd call it different things. Lots of people know Ulgu, but you can count on one hand the number of people that will know it the same way Eike will.

Actually I think you can count it on one finger. Her master will come close as will her own students if she teaches any, but no one will have quite the same relationship with the wind as she does. They quite literally can't since the relationship between a human wizard and their magic is a very personalized process of soul mutation.
 
Look, we're going to see the Eonir and we still have that ticket for a Fun Time in Nagarythe. We know Hubert's problem, if we run into elven users of Elemental Azyr, we'll ask them to help. Actually, this could really work if the Eonir have any specialty users of it - what are the odds that they'd like to 'improve' the thing Teclis made? That's gotta be worth bragging points, right?

It's not an accident, it's intentional. The Celestial College encourages a focus on divination instead of things like lightning bolts because seeing the future can be such a game-changer. The effect of this is most Celestial Wizards end up focusing on mystical Azyr over elemental, and the side-effect of sidelining those that are heavily elemental is considered an acceptable price to pay.

(there's cultural and historical reasons for it too, but the above is why the status quo isn't challenged from within or without)
 
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It's not an accident, it's intentional. The Celestial College encourages a focus on divination instead of things like lightning bolts because seeing the future can be such a game-changer. The effect of this is most Celestial Wizards end up focusing on mystical Azyr over elemental, and the side-effect of sidelining those that are heavily elemental is considered an acceptable price to pay.

(there's cultural and historical reasons for it to, but the above is why the status quo isn't challenged from within or without)
But if they ever get into lightshow-competitions with the Bright College they loose hard.

A high price to be paid for divination and money.
 
Since it's not a physiological thing, have there been cases of individual Wizards going ahead and doing so anyway?

Oh yes. Every now and then someone flaunts it obviously and unrepentantly enough that they get exiled from Altdorf, which probably indicates there's more than a few out there engaging with more discretion.


"There's a joke in the Grey College: the ones that do probably shouldn't, and the ones that don't probably should."
 
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So now that we know for sure Eike is going to be a wizard I would like to seriously put forth the notion of getting her a dwarf made runic grounding rod. Dwarfs are better at that kind of brute force manipulation of magic than wizards. At the same time that is not some Kraag-worthy piece of runecraft so we can just buy it for money (being that we are a dwarf) and gift it on.

Eike probably is not going to need something that heavy duty as a junior apprentice but in the 0.1% of cases when she does she will really need it, and we have seen her luck runs to extremes in one direction already.
 
I'd argue that's the greatest act of magic possible.
Re: other wizards, mathilde doing this would probably make them squint annoyedly. It looks like she's manipulating the other winds, which is verboten, but the explanation would make them thoughtful about it
If I may split hairs, I'd put forth that greatness is more about grandiosity than being about importance or even power. :p

And, at least from one currently operating under the theory of "Dhar as hard power, Qhaysh as soft power," I certainly find it an auspicious start.

Not in a "what goodies might this lead to," kind of way but in a "We have turned the force in necromancy that would compel all to bow down and obey, and in our hands shaped it to instead be the first lesson we give to the one we intend to grow beyond us, and to empower and enlighten her with the choice to accept or reject us" sort of way.

Because I really, really like the poetry in taking an art of the magic of coercion and turning it so utterly inside out, so utterly into the exact opposite of its inherent mindset and philosophy, that it could instead be the cornerstone of an attempt to avoid coercion.
 
So now that we know for sure Eike is going to be a wizard I would like to seriously put forth the notion of getting her a dwarf made runic grounding rod. Dwarfs are better at that kind of brute force manipulation of magic than wizards. At the same time that is not some Kraag-worthy piece of runecraft so we can just buy it for money (being that we are a dwarf) and gift it on.

Eike probably is not going to need something that heavy duty as a junior apprentice but in the 0.1% of cases when she does she will really need it, and we have seen her luck runs to extremes in one direction already.
Eike'll have more than enough attention on her already without getting expensive stuff from Mathilde. I'd only support such an action if we're committed to taking her as an apprentice. Which, I am, but the thread at large may not be.
 
So now that we know for sure Eike is going to be a wizard I would like to seriously put forth the notion of getting her a dwarf made runic grounding rod. Dwarfs are better at that kind of brute force manipulation of magic than wizards. At the same time that is not some Kraag-worthy piece of runecraft so we can just buy it for money (being that we are a dwarf) and gift it on.

Eike probably is not going to need something that heavy duty as a junior apprentice but in the 0.1% of cases when she does she will really need it, and we have seen her luck runs to extremes in one direction already.
Better she learns being careful the regular way.
Having a 10% better chance to survive a super-critfail than most students is extremly unlikely to actually come into play, while possibly also giving her a false sense of safety.
Also more envy from fellow students.
 
Wow, that worked out great and I loved our first application of Windherding so much.
I wonder if we have to have a talk about certain topics of conversation with Eike since it might be a bit of a faux pas to ask someone how they found out that they are wizards ( I'm guessing that meeting a dwarven king and prince, riding on a magical horse and flying in a Gyrocarriage will feature in fewer stories than pyres ). Oh, and the Vow of Poverty is probably not explained in such detail that "Heir to a trading company" seems reasonable to most apprentices .
 
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So now that we know for sure Eike is going to be a wizard I would like to seriously put forth the notion of getting her a dwarf made runic grounding rod. Dwarfs are better at that kind of brute force manipulation of magic than wizards. At the same time that is not some Kraag-worthy piece of runecraft so we can just buy it for money (being that we are a dwarf) and gift it on.

Eike probably is not going to need something that heavy duty as a junior apprentice but in the 0.1% of cases when she does she will really need it, and we have seen her luck runs to extremes in one direction already.
Dwarves don't have wizards so thats hardly a common thing we can find rather than an expensive specially commissioned item.
Besides we built the panic rooms for all the colleges didn't we? Since she won't be leaving the mono wind environment for years those seem more likely what she'll need rather than a grounding rod.
 
Better she learns being careful the regular way.
Having a 10% better chance to survive a super-critfail than most students is extremly unlikely to actually come into play, while possibly also giving her a false sense of safety.
Also more envy from fellow students.

It is only 10% at the scale of magic a magister uses, for an apprentice's miscasts it it probably even better, less power to go chaos-y.
 
It is only 10% at the scale of magic a magister uses, for an apprentice's miscasts it it probably even better, less power to go chaos-y.
But the chance for a crit to go bad enough to be life-threatening is equally much lower for a junior apprentice.

Once we have her under our personal wing and teach her something other than the most basic magic, I would support the item.
But for the basic control-lessons at college I wouldn't.
 
But the chance for a crit to go bad enough to be life-threatening is equally much lower for a junior apprentice.

Once we have her under our personal wing and teach her something other than the most basic magic, I would support the item.
But for the basic control-lessons at college I wouldn't.

Fair enough, though to be honest once we have her under our tutelage I will probably be suggesting we turn her a dragonbone staff. :V
 
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