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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
Mathilde does not know.
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Wait the Grey College doesn't tell her what about her research they'd prefer remain internal knowledge? How do they control the information then? Do they view it as "Mathilde has a right to disclose it to whomever she wants because she invented it", or "Mathilde has a right to disclose it to whomever she wants because she's a Lady Magister"? Does the latter part apply to existing internal College knowledge too?
 
[X] DIPLO: Collegiate
How independent the Colleges are from each other depends a great deal on your perspective. There can be a lot of value in bridging those gaps.
[X] LESSON: Dhar Insight
You've seen Daemons, the Chaos Wastes, the Windfall. You're reaching as thorough an understanding of the fel energies of Dark Magic as can be attained without actually wielding them.
 
Darth. said:
Has Boney disclosed what the new quest would be about? (By which I just mean the fandom it's set in, not the summary, timeline, or characters obviously).
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I seem to remember he said it was another WF, but I can't be sure. But that's unlikely to matter to me anyway. I enjoy almost everything Maugan Ra writes, and I've only heard of some of those settings through that writing.
 
BoneyM said:
I cannot even begin to express how astoundingly bad an idea it would be to try to publish the Secrets of Dhar. It is so much more likely to cause apocalypses than it is to solve them.
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Fair enough, I only asked because usually when I see people talking about sharing Dhar insights from the book, it's the Secrets. And I very vaguely remember mention of one time when a Grand Theogonist used them to basically nuke one of the Vampires' armies? Or something.
 
pucflek said:
Going full Kubo by TPK. The thread did a write in

Kill yourself.
-- By stabbing yourself through the heart

it won. The fact that it actually killed protagonist has caused mass outrage and no small amount of grief to the QM who clearly established that this was a dumbass thing to do.
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What happened to the quest after that? :D
 
Darth. said:
Wait the Grey College doesn't tell her what about her research they'd prefer remain internal knowledge? How do they control the information then? Do they view it as "Mathilde has a right to disclose it to whomever she wants because she invented it", or "Mathilde has a right to disclose it to whomever she wants because she's a Lady Magister"? Does the latter part apply to existing internal College knowledge too?
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Mathilde does not know because that situation has not happened. She's had papers classified, but not entirely kept from the other Colleges.

Ericwinter said:
Fair enough, I only asked because usually when I see people talking about sharing Dhar insights from the book, it's the Secrets. And I very vaguely remember mention of one time when a Grand Theogonist used them to basically nuke one of the Vampires' armies? Or something.
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The Grand Theogonist's use of it is the ideal application: it's kept entirely under lock and key and only single-digit numbers of extremely trusted people have any idea it exists, and it's broken out only when the alternative is something like Emperor Vlad. The way to implement this is to continue what the van Hals have been doing for generations: pass it on to a single trusted person when Mathilde dies. You absolutely don't distribute it widely. Because if it does get distributed widely, it will leak out, and then you end up with everyone with a scrap of magical ability and a score to settle raising their own necromantic army with the First Secret and everyone on the side of good whacking that army back down with the Second Secret and everywhere that happens, which is everywhere, becomes a Dhar-blasted wasteland.

Remember the old saying: three can keep a secret if two of them are dead and buried in a properly sanctified Garden of Morr that you've checked on recently.
 
LightLan said:
Given Mathilde's Insight in necromancy: Does she have ideas for how to properly secure her body after death, so no one can get at her secrets?
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She knew how to properly sanctify and bury the bodies of fallen humans post expedition, so i assume yes.

More to the point, there is no way Ranald won't snap her soul up the moment she kicks it, and nobody is getting answer out of a body.
 
Mopman43 said:
You know, what source makes you say that?

Because Heinrich Kemmler only recovered his power from a deal with the Chaos Gods, so he's already an example of a Necromancer in the service of Chaos.
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Night's Dark Masters where they speak of why vampires and necromancers are natively foes of Chaos since they seek to bind their thralls in stasis that is the Antithesis of Chaos
 
LightLan said:
Given Mathilde's Insight in necromancy: Does she have ideas for how to properly secure her body after death, so no one can get at her secrets?
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There were a bunch of secrets of Morr in the Book, too IIRC. On the other hand, she probably needs to be dead to use them on herself, and by that point it's probably better just to let the actual cult of Morr, or the Amerhysts, or Gunnar's order, go about doing it. Which reminds me, our death might actually be a political clusterfuck now. Well aside from whatever circumstances it happens to occur in, if the Dwarves take the Conclave announcement seriously, they are quite likely to want Mathilde sent to Gazul's realm. Unless the Grudge against Ranald is resolved in such a way as to let him keep her soul himself. But if someone tries to argue it...
 
DragonParadox said:
Night's Dark Masters where they speak of why vampires and necromancers are natively foes of Chaos since they seek to bind their thralls in stasis that is the Antithesis of Chaos
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A) Night's Dark Masters says that Chaos and Vampires are natural enemies, it makes no mention of Chaos being opposed to Necromancers.

B) It does not give that as the reason.

The worshippers of Chaos have a strange position on Vampires. Followers of the Blood God see them as blasphemers who steal the blood that is rightfully Khorne's. Vampires' immunity to disease makes them distasteful to worshippers of Nurgle. Tzeentch's followers see them as beings of stasis, unchanged by the years or mutation and abhorrent in their God's eyes—however many of them he happens to have at that moment. Although some Vampires live lives of pleasure enough to make a Slaaneshi swoon, they are resistant to all things new and prefer to live in idealised pasts rather than embracing new sensations, arousing the cultists' contempt. Vampires gain no benefit from watching their herd vanish under a sea of Chaos, and the unholy symbols of Dark Gods pain them as much as any such holy symbols. They have sided with humanity, often secretly, in the war against Chaos. Strange as it may seem from the point of view of Humans, who see only monsters on both sides, the forces of Chaos and Vampires are naturally opposed.
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Yes, followers of Tzeentch dislike the Vampires for being in stasis, but their thralls aren't mentioned.
 
BoneyM said:
The Grand Theogonist's use of it is the ideal application: it's kept entirely under lock and key and only single-digit numbers of extremely trusted people have any idea it exists, and it's broken out only when the alternative is something like Emperor Vlad. The way to implement this is to continue what the van Hals have been doing for generations: pass it on to a single trusted person when Mathilde dies. You absolutely don't distribute it widely. Because if it does get distributed widely, it will leak out, and then you end up with everyone with a scrap of magical ability and a score to settle raising their own necromantic army with the First Secret and everyone on the side of good whacking that army back down with the Second Secret and everywhere that happens, which is everywhere, becomes a Dhar-blasted wasteland.
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I've been under the assumption that the Jades have been keeping their waystone knowledge secret for similar reasons, but when I suggested in a post a few pages back that we try to get read in on these secrets, the counter argument was that the plan is to distribute waystone knowledge and making sacred druid vows to keep knowledge secret would be against that aim, and that we instead need to convince the Jades to release the knowledge.

... I don't really know where I'm going with this. I just think if we want the Jades involved, we're going to have to give them some concessions, like acknowledge that they had good reason to keep this knowledge secret and are not just being mean knowledge hoarders.
 
Hey folks good morning what's going on -- oh, we're entertaining weird and bizarre hypotheticals and poking the QM about them? Cool, cool, don't know why I asked, a few days of SV being down can't have changed things that significantly.
 
I'm going for
[X] DIPLO: Polyglot

In memory of all those "I wish we have taken the Polyglot, It would be soooo useful right now"
And also, think of all the books that we haven't read because they are in different language.
Think of all the smut!
 
Darth. said:
Wait the Grey College doesn't tell her what about her research they'd prefer remain internal knowledge? How do they control the information then? Do they view it as "Mathilde has a right to disclose it to whomever she wants because she invented it", or "Mathilde has a right to disclose it to whomever she wants because she's a Lady Magister"? Does the latter part apply to existing internal College knowledge too?
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There's an Editor-in-Chief in the Grey College Org Chart whose purpose is to redact stuff to their appropriate classifications. I daresay they'd be the one deciding stuff like this, perhaps with input from the Librarian and Algard, their superiors.

picklepikkl said:
Hey folks good morning what's going on -- oh, we're entertaining weird and bizarre hypotheticals and poking the QM about them? Cool, cool, don't know why I asked, a few days of SV being down can't have changed things that significantly.
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Those few days probably had a bigger effect, given the QM wasn't available to answer questions and before that the thread was rather sparsely populated with no update in sight.
 
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