Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

picklepikkl · Apr 1, 2021

BurnNote said:
They recently got some training rooms that make them less likely to explode while training. That this was both needed and not available is not considered a great indictment of previous leadership, but simply how things were.

That's not technically true.

BoneyM said:
The neutral rooms of the College cannot compare to the one in your tower back home, though admittedly they are designed more around containing a sudden and violent discharge of magic than they are about achieving complete and constant magical neutrality, but you put a few to good use anyway.

They already had rooms designed for this purpose. It's just that dwarves build the best ones, and before us no wizard had sufficient cred with the dwarves to make this happen on a large scale.

T_of_A · Apr 1, 2021

IIRC the tech level of the colleges when it came to neutral rooms was: underground, with metal rods useful for grounding every few meters. To a Runesmith, that must be completely insane! It's basically "oh yeah, our high-tech experimental facility is a hole in the ground!"
Of course any human wizard who points out that the great Dawi cities are also fancy holes in the ground is likely to get a Str10 hammer to the face

Robotninja · Apr 1, 2021

Aranfan said:
If we can make AV powerstones, I'm all for giving one to Teclis should we ever meet him. As a thank you for saving our life.

We should flat out give him some AV as a thank you, honestly.

Exmorri · Apr 1, 2021

Robotninja said:
We should flat out give him some AV as a thank you, honestly.

Teclis has AP hell undreamed of, and you want to send him more half-understood weird stuff?

Robotninja · Apr 1, 2021

Exmorri said:
Teclis has AP hell undreamed of, and you want to send him more half-understood weird stuff?

Yes.

Tasoli · Apr 1, 2021

Exmorri said:
Teclis has AP hell undreamed of, and you want to send him more half-understood weird stuff?

Wizards are like Dragons when it comes to that. Where as Dragons have hoards of golds,Wizards have hoards of research projects and bigger it is better they fell about themselves.

Ericwinter · Apr 1, 2021

picklepikkl said:
That's not technically true.

They already had rooms designed for this purpose. It's just that dwarves build the best ones, and before us no wizard had sufficient cred with the dwarves to make this happen on a large scale.

Hmm... I wonder if we can eventually get the elves to build some other high-tech magic facilities after we get the Project going for a bit. The library is, of course, already massively useful and awesome if we can share even part of it with the Colleges, but there's no reason not to try for more if we find it.

Prime 2.0 · Apr 1, 2021

picklepikkl said:
That's not technically true.

They already had rooms designed for this purpose. It's just that dwarves build the best ones, and before us no wizard had sufficient cred with the dwarves to make this happen on a large scale.

Well, sorta? The room of neutrality and the room of calamity are different designs, and we have one of each back at K8P. The colleges had versions of the former which they also applied towards the latter's use case, but "push a button and flush all magic down the toilet" rooms are what we actually gave them... and they definitely didn't have that.

SaltyWaffles · Apr 1, 2021

@BoneyM : Even if their respective location isn't chosen, would it still be feasible to convince key figures (like Kragg or the Fey Enchantress) to visit on occasion when we have reason to believe that it would be worth their time (or at least worth a try)? And when it comes to Kragg in particular, is there any merit in the idea that Kragg might be willing to visit the project on Laurelorn for the possibility of getting Eonir archmage assistance for reverse-engineering Bok? And lastly, when that dwarf merchant selling us the Marksdwarf pistol told us that a conical bullet is much more accurate than a round one, is that an actual secret that we aren't allowed to share with anyone? Of course, if that gun and its ammo is freely up for sale to any Empire human in good standing, how has the Imperial School of Engineering not copied it already?

Aranfan · Apr 1, 2021

SaltyWaffles said:
And when it comes to Kragg in particular, is there any merit in the idea that Kragg might be willing to visit the project on Laurelorn for the possibility of getting Eonir archmage assistance for reverse-engineering Bok?

I make the following predition on Boney's answer: "Try it and find out"

So says my crystal ball.

TheBiggerFish · Apr 1, 2021

Artemis1992 said:
It exists for the glory of the @Goldfish.

What, and the rest of us don't count?

Glau · Apr 1, 2021

Mathilda Weber, Azrildrekked, The Ancestor God of Umgi? It's more likely that you think!

Seriously, we represent a new, wildly successful approach to dealing with a world that is substantially different than the one the Ancestor gods faced. And what do dwarves so with those? Turn them into Ancestor gods!

Exmorri said:
Teclis has AP hell undreamed of, and you want to send him more half-understood weird stuff?

Yes.

In fact, getting Teclis to cry uncle from the amount of cool new swag he will never have time to investigate we send him sounds awesome.

picklepikkl · Apr 1, 2021

Glau said:
Mathilda Weber, Azrildrekked, The Ancestor God of Umgi? It's more likely that you think!

Seriously, we represent a new, wildly successful approach to dealing with a world that is substantially different than the one the Ancestor gods faced. And what do dwarves so with those? Turn them into Ancestor gods!

We'd need to be actually an ancestor to dwarves to accomplish that, though. At the present junction (happily monogamous with Pan), I see only two ways to make that happen:

Adopt dwarf children (which is a pit of Yikes that I really don't want to get into)
Convince the Conclave of the Ancestor Cults that bringing twenty thousand dwarves into the world qualifies us as their mother and, incidentally, the most successful Dwarf woman alive. Take that, Kazador's wife!

deathofrats0808 · Apr 1, 2021

Aranfan said:
I make the following predition on Boney's answer: "Try it and find out"

So says my crystal ball.

You magic eight ball doesn't count as crystal.

Boney · Apr 1, 2021

Andres110 said:
@BoneyM I remember you said they only teach Cataclysm Spells if you have a very good reason to learn them, but then what's the procedure when there's Storms of Magic around? Can you learn them fast enough to use them on the battlefield before the Arcane Fulcrums disappear?

No. Standard procedure is to stay away.

Boney · Apr 1, 2021

SaltyWaffles said:
@BoneyM : Even if their respective location isn't chosen, would it still be feasible to convince key figures (like Kragg or the Fey Enchantress) to visit on occasion when we have reason to believe that it would be worth their time (or at least worth a try)? And when it comes to Kragg in particular, is there any merit in the idea that Kragg might be willing to visit the project on Laurelorn for the possibility of getting Eonir archmage assistance for reverse-engineering Bok? And lastly, when that dwarf merchant selling us the Marksdwarf pistol told us that a conical bullet is much more accurate than a round one, is that an actual secret that we aren't allowed to share with anyone? Of course, if that gun and its ammo is freely up for sale to any Empire human in good standing, how has the Imperial School of Engineering not copied it already?

Feasibility is for the thread to judge, not WoQM to dictate.

Most humans with the skill to try to reverse engineer Dwarven craft are part of organisations that have strong incentives to not piss of the Dwarves. And Mathilde is told things like that because she is trusted not to go blabbing Dwarven secrets, proving that trust misplaced might have negative results.

kingreaper · Apr 1, 2021

SaltyWaffles said:
And lastly, when that dwarf merchant selling us the Marksdwarf pistol told us that a conical bullet is much more accurate than a round one, is that an actual secret that we aren't allowed to share with anyone?

Note that we have the information from another source too, one which gave us a ready-made excuse for "how we came up with the idea"

BoneyM said:
"Er, right, you lot still use the round ones. Forget I said anything, won't you? Secrets, and all that." He doesn't seem at all sheepish about it, though. "On an entirely unrelated note, I will share the observation that an arrow flies truer than even a spherical slingstone."

"Noted," you say, watching as another cargo of the... cannonbolts? be carried past.

"Right, might want to cover your ears," Narfi observes, and you follow his gaze to a long line of cannon, each with a Dwarf holding up a hand to signify his readiness to fire. You cover your ears with your hands.

Doing so might have consequences, but the first person to give us the information was someone who would have liked us to share the concept.

I'll note however that round bullets (and cannonballs) are a lot easier to make. So just knowing in principle that it'd be a good idea to have the conical-headed kind doesn't mean that you can actually do it in practise.

Jyn Ryvia · Apr 1, 2021

My personal take on Kraggs personality and the waystone project is this:

If we just try to get him involved early or just because; he won't be very interested. he is already on team 'beyond modern runesmiths' when it comes to the older stuff: He doesn't want to agree and find it's another Bork.

If we hit a particular problem, but one that looks solvable, on the rune side of things, and go to him, GREATEST LIVING RUNELORD, as the only one able to overcome it, his pride and professional curiosity might be tickled enough to come take a look.

I think we need a Kragg level rune puzzle to give him before we can catch his eye, not have the promise of one.

(tho at that stage I would go for Thorek myself)

seekingflame · Apr 1, 2021

picklepikkl said:
Convince the Conclave of the Ancestor Cults that bringing twenty thousand dwarves into the world qualifies us as their mother and, incidentally, the most successful Dwarf woman alive. Take that, Kazador's wife!

Mathilde pointing at a gathering of dwarves elder.

Mathilde: "see, I brought them into this world"

Horstmann: "what...?, those are two centuries old grumpy dwarves "

Mathilde: "oh don't worry, that how all newborn dawi are"

Sparsebeard · Apr 1, 2021

picklepikkl said:
Convince the Conclave of the Ancestor Cults that bringing twenty thousand dwarves into the world qualifies us as their mother and, incidentally, the most successful Dwarf woman alive. Take that, Kazador's wife!

Wouldn't be the weirdest thing in WH Universe. And becoming an Ancestor God would be a nice way to implement reforms...

Another crackpot way to become an Ancestor God :

- Get Ranald to "steal" souls of dwarves who die without a priest to guide them to the glittering realm and put those souls in human bodies. Cue to a new breed of human-bodied dwarves to revitalize Karaz Ankor with Mathilde as their Ancestor God of Dwarven Wizardry.

Ericwinter · Apr 1, 2021

picklepikkl said:
We'd need to be actually an ancestor to dwarves to accomplish that, though. At the present junction (happily monogamous with Pan), I see only two ways to make that happen:

Adopt dwarf children (which is a pit of Yikes that I really don't want to get into)

Convince the Conclave of the Ancestor Cults that bringing twenty thousand dwarves into the world qualifies us as their mother and, incidentally, the most successful Dwarf woman alive. Take that, Kazador's wife!

I mean, they already went out of their way to call her technically a dwarf. I don't see why they can't also make her technically a mother as well. I don't think there's an Ancestor God of Rangers, is there?

picklepikkl · Apr 1, 2021

It is the waning hours of April 1. Sufficient Velocity has returned to being Sufficient Velocity, the fish reacts have fled, and silliness is cast out from the land. Which is important for my purposes: typo-hunting is serious business.

Turn Twenty-Two

BoneyM said:
the crack that reverberates around the room and the ping of ricocheting stone reveals that

reveals -> reveal

BoneyM said:
make it clear there's a new Clan in the offering. that should get us a Master or two.

that -> That (or . -> ,)

BoneyM said:
we can use all the help we can get.

get. -> get."

Turn Twenty-Two Results Part One

BoneyM said:
[Week 2 observations: Learning, 97+26+10(Windsage)+10(previous crit)=133]

133 -> 143 (not that it matters, but you could say that about everything I'm doing, so.)

BoneyM said:
griffins and hippogryphs and demigryphs

griffins -> griffons

BoneyM said:
if any of the necromancer

necromancer -> necromancers

BoneyM said:
But you've seen first hand

first hand -> first-hand (or firsthand, if for some reason you prefer the American style to the UK style)

BoneyM said:
you allow the nonsense words of a Jade Enchantress' whimsy trigger the seed

trigger -> to trigger

Turn Twenty-Two Results Part Two

BoneyM said:
the way your return to Fort Redemption captures the full attention of everyone present

your -> you

BoneyM said:
Any Grey Wizard who believes they have sufficient reason to see him are allowed to do so

are -> is (or "Any Grey Wizard who believes" -> "All Grey Wizards who believe"

BoneyM said:
transforming them from a living weapon sealed up between battles to men and women respected for their sacrifice

a living weapon -> living weapons

BoneyM said:
with her Halflings friends

Halflings -> Halfling

BoneyM said:
reading his notes off the autopsy

off -> of

BoneyM said:
every spell lays down the form of each spell with such precision that the vulnerabilities are immediately obvious

"every spell" and "each spell" in close succession is confusing; maybe "every spell" -> "every entry"?

BoneyM said:
You can't tell if its fed by rain

its -> it's

Turn Twenty-Two Social

BoneyM said:
until the gate guards said 'welcome back, Countess'.

welcome -> Welcome

BoneyM said:
neglected quarter of Tempelhoff

Tempelhoff -> Tempelhof

BoneyM said:
Of the points in favour of Dwafholds

Dwafholds -> Dwarfholds

Karagril Part One

BoneyM said:
it's Gretel who excels and cements her status as your favourite as one Orc stares befuddled at his choppa arm hanging limply from his body, as a second has several neat wounds torn through his torso by her summoned scythe.

as a second -> and a second

BoneyM said:
moving with any kind of predictably

predictably -> predictability

Karagril Part Two

BoneyM said:
as you make your way too the other target

too -> to

Karagril Part Three

BoneyM said:
the Rangers sheath axes

sheath -> sheathe

BoneyM said:
hammerers of Karak Azul

hammerers -> Hammerers

Karagril Part Five

BoneyM said:
as Maximilian bemoans the battle that never was from eastern edge of the caldera

eastern -> the eastern

Ganurath · Apr 1, 2021

picklepikkl said:
It is the waning hours of April 1. Sufficient Velocity has returned to being Sufficient Velocity, the fish reacts have fled, and silliness is cast out from the land. Which is important for my purposes: typo-hunting is serious business.

The silliness hasn't ended, only the sanction and celebration of it. Now that the holiday is officially over, despite the time zones of Americans such as myself, all that has changed is that it has regained the traditional title of thread madness.

Also, as I wrote this, my word counter told me that Lex Luthor stole 40 cakes, then made a commentary about the answer to the ultimate question.

deathofrats0808 · Apr 1, 2021

Ericwinter said:
I mean, they already went out of their way to call her technically a dwarf. I don't see why they can't also make her technically a mother as well. I don't think there's an Ancestor God of Rangers, is there?

Grombrindal is typically considered the Ancestor God of Rangers IIRC. He's certainly the closest they've got as a major god. Although it should be remembered that every clan has its own pantheon, with only the major gods being shared.

Boney · Apr 1, 2021

The major ancestor gods are the main three, their children, and Gazul. There's no realistic possibility of any new additions to the pantheon, let alone a human shaped one, let alone a wizard.

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