This is an excellent point.Vlag is a huge boon for the Kislev option - without it Kislev might struggle to get runesmiths involved, but IMO the runesmiths of Vlag are going to go "Chance to help The Mathilde without getting too far from home? Deal!"
Almost dinner, so just some quick notes:
Money and muscle power will be available anywhere.
Neither Carcassonne nor Kislev have much to offer beyond their local magic users, which we can get anyway.
Kislev clearly has contentious internal politics going on.
This feels far more important that it probably should.
I wonder how honest this excuse is knowing that Collages of Magic in the Empire does not lend out books eitherIt was more the entire "We've got this huge library of knowledge, but no looking unless we host the project here."
...knowledge doesn't go away, gold and other types of backing is rather finite.
Their argument is "Oh, we don't know if what's in our library is useful to the task at hand, but we'll only let you look if we're hosting the project here." It's not that they refuse to lend out books, taking them out of the library, or even restricted section. It's "Host the project here or we will let you assume you're working impaired when a pair of glasses are readily available."
Yeah, I really like the Fay Enchantress as a character and I'm tempted by Carcassone, but compared to Laurelorn and Kislev's offers it's a lot less exciting.I'm not sure I see how it's "extremely juicy". It's simply agreeing to take part in the project. Oh, and not giving us shit for our god.
Do Ice Witches use multiple winds or just the really weird Lore of Ice? Genuine question. (Damsels are implied to have wood elf ties.)How badly do we want damsels as opposed to ice witches? They seem interchangeable to me: multiwind magic ladies who are doing extreme shit with the aid of their god.
I mean, I say this as a huge fan of her who's definitely leaning towards Carcassone because of it but:I mean, I want them pretty well...
Less memey, the Fay Enchantress is sort of a bigger deal than anything that the Kislevites have as far as I can tell.
sounds good, but not like Morgiana is going to convey that much assistance herself."Morgiana is too, our upstairs neighbour. She's a busy woman, but she says she's willing to give you a nudge or two in the right direction, and to have one of her helpers join your number."
How badly do we want damsels as opposed to ice witches? They seem interchangeable to me: multiwind magic ladies who are doing extreme shit with the aid of their god.
Thing is that we are working for them. They wanted us to fix their waystones and came to us.Keep in mind this is not their library of exotic cookbooks, this is seriously ancient and seriously dangerous magic. 'We are not giving you unrestricted access unless you work for us' seems every bit as reasonable as the runesmith secret keeping which no one seems to be calling out. We still get some of the information elsewhere but filtered through whichever elf mages leaves the forest.
Full cards on the table: I am a huge Bretonnia fanboy who would probably at least preference vote Carcassonne as a second pick to finally get away from the Dwarfs even if the only info we had got was a letter from the Duke saying "You get nothing but the pleasure of our company."I mean, I say this as a huge fan of her who's definitely leaning towards Carcassone because of it but:
Chaos Orcs.Does it feel like that Carcassonne is the safe pick? Or am I not seeing the risks associated?
If I had the original magical writings of the first Everqueen I wouldn't let them out of my library either. Like, I'd have guards on the door, I'd cross universes and get Master Wong to throw shade at anyone looking in the direction of the Library.We've got this huge library of knowledge, but no looking unless we host the project here."
Thing is that we are working for them. They wanted us to fix their waystones and came to us.
Vlag doesn't really have Runesmiths right now, though. They have what they call Runepokers, which I'm pretty sure are people with Runesmith potential but no Runesmith training who learned by way of being stuck in the warp. They may well be able to help us in their own way but conventional Rune knowledge isn't something they'll be bringing to the table.Vlag is a huge boon for the Kislev option - without it Kislev might struggle to get runesmiths involved, but IMO the runesmiths of Vlag are going to go "Chance to help The Mathilde without getting too far from home? Deal!"
I don't think Ice witches can do multiple winds. They have their own special lore which nobody else gets, but unlike damsels who can cast spells from multiple winds. Their style is really more like divine magic scaled up to battle magic levels, as far as I'm aware.How badly do we want damsels as opposed to ice witches? They seem interchangeable to me: multiwind magic ladies who are doing extreme shit with the aid of their god.
Well that and they'd be understandably invested in insuring that they don't get swallowed up by Chaos again.Vlag is a huge boon for the Kislev option - without it Kislev might struggle to get runesmiths involved, but IMO the runesmiths of Vlag are going to go "Chance to help The Mathilde without getting too far from home? Deal!"
The downsides are having to deal with Iron Orcs (we are not expected to helpDoes it feel like that Carcassonne is the safe pick? Or am I not seeing the risks associated?
For Bretonnia; "Bretonnia does not need monuments to banish evils." They're helping as a favour, and one that won't take us very far.
Also, fun fact: in at least one source book, it's mentioned that Betonnian noblewomen consider exposing their heir very scandalous—more so than exposing the rest of their bodies. Mathilde has very long hair in dwarven braids, which is probably the Bretonnian equivalent of turning up to a business meeting in a bikini.
I don't think Laurelorn even considered Collages a possibilty, proabably thinking that they were too ignorant to be helpfull up untill they saw our Waag and Peace lecture transcripts which impressed them that we know what we are talking about.Then why haven't we heard of it before? If Laurelorn sent an emissary to any of the colleges then they'd have a research team out there within half a year to confirm it.
You are talking about literally most diplomatic elf faction on the planet.Also, this is dependent on Laurelorn has ever tried a diplomatic resolution, which isn't a certainity.
I don't think Ice witches can do multiple winds. They have their own special lore which nobody else gets, but unlike damsels who can cast spells from multiple winds. Their style is really more like divine magic scaled up to battle magic levels, as far as I'm aware.
This might just be my inner Dwarf speaking, But compared to Belegar's frank assessment of things, the lack of negatives brought up by Cadaeth... I don't like it.
THE TRUE PRIZE.The winner of this vote will not only determine the setting of the next arc of the quest, it will also determine my new forum avatar.
Ulthuan. Erengrad has an Elf quarter bigger than Altdorf, but smaller than Marienburg's.So... which elves will Boris be leaning on for support, if we go with Kislev?