That would be Sylvania, though. Technically East Stirland, but everyone who lives there knows the difference.If we explode a waystone it's barely noticeable
Sure, but there's no reason to assume that makes it the New World - and if it's neither then it's unaffected by a treaty concerning New World goods.
At least some of the time Ulthuan seems to be distinct from the New World.
This is very well-said.
In other words, I'm the only one who'll be waving the "Grey Order" flag? That's...demoralizing.
Knife fight just means it'll be a close and contested and energetic vote, yes? Not necessarily that it'll be toxic?
I think the Grey Order is a good option, but I am skeptical that it will attract more takers than the two "shiny" options. It is, as the author's notes put it, the default option. Maybe if lots of people approval-vote for it along with their #1 it can end up as the compromise pick? But I also think large portions of the thread really want to hire foreign spellcasters, and we have nontrivial wordcount explaining that unless we get the Witch Hunters on-side, that is likely to cause problems inside the Empire.
Yes, sorry, that's what I meant. An intense one-on-one duel.
While I get your point, of course he's not going to say Ulthuan is part of the New World. The term isn't one the Elves use. It's a human thing. Same as they don't call the Old World, the Old World. The Western Lands does clearly refer to Naggaroth/Lustria, but that doesn't mean "the New World" doesn't include Ulthuan, or that he thought he didn't when the Treaty was made. No one is going to think that the Elves will be out-competed on their own turf after all, so it's unlikely to be something that anyone particularly objects to.At least some of the time Ulthuan seems to be distinct from the New World.
WFRP 1e Marienburg: Sold Down the River, page 69
Sullandiel is the guy who'd end up forging the Treaty. He calls the other end of the trade route he has planned for the Treaty of Amity and Commerce the "Western Lands" and he's in Ulthuan when he's saying this, talking to Clan Lords and the Phoenix King, which means that in this specific case, the New World is exclusively defined as Naggaroth and Lustria. This establishes that Ulthuan is not part of the New World; it is not a refutation that other pieces of lore say Ulthuan is part of the New World. (Lore contradictions do exist after all.)
At least some of the time Ulthuan seems to be distinct from the New World.
WFRP 1e Marienburg: Sold Down the River, page 69
Sullandiel is the guy who'd end up forging the Treaty. He calls the other end of the trade route he has planned for the Treaty of Amity and Commerce the "Western Lands" and he's in Ulthuan when he's saying this, talking to Clan Lords and the Phoenix King, which means that in this specific case, the New World is exclusively defined as Naggaroth and Lustria. This establishes that Ulthuan is not part of the New World; it is not a refutation that other pieces of lore say Ulthuan is part of the New World. (Lore contradictions do exist after all.)
Does Johann punching the Drucchi count as interaction?
I believe us casting Mockery of Death on him already counts as one of the three, the others being the Vicerine and Daroir.
On the other hand, we've had little interaction with elves and this gives us the opportunity to interact with them more, which is novel, fun, and interesting.
This is just the fact-finding vote so no harm in voting Laurelorn to find out more about what we'd be expected to do and act like under their authority.
Yeah.
No need to apologise, just wanted to make sure my understanding of the definition was correct.
My group always table canon'd that the actual pile of legal documents that expand on the treaty (just like real ones) * that the actual limits are 'uniquely Ulthuan goods' like art, weapons, books etc etc.
I mean, some of those would be coming from the East, so wouldn't fall under the New World classification. Spices and silk and fine china (fine cathay?).
On which subject:
