To everyone shaking their fist at the Sigmarites for various reasons, at least try to consider things from other perspectives. 'They inserted their own agents into Stirland's council who pursued their own agendas!' So did the Emperor's Spymaster. So did Talabecland. Mathilde was an agent for the Lahmians. 'They're occupied with internal squabbles!' They're concerned that a nonhuman polity is wiping out entire villages in Nordland, and that Middenland opted to help them do so. 'They didn't help Belegar!' Go reread Kazador's reaction to a messenger from Belegar until he realized that there's actually momentum to this reconquest attempt.
Giving absolutely no support to Belegar's "doomed bid" is not what you'd expect, but it's also understandable if you consider it suicide. Which we absolutely would if there wasn't a protagonist involved.
However, everything we saw about the leadership of the Church of Sigmar while we were in Abelhelm's Council was shockingly bad. They didn't just send a spy, they sent
Kasmir. Before he got his character development, his monofocus on Sigmar and seeming desire to replace Morr's preachers with Sigmarites in institutions were an outright liability. It's more sabotage than what the actual Lahmian Agent did!
I mean, if Kasmir had distrusted local Faiths because of the local chaos cult which had infiltrated the palace, then that's understandable. But as far as I could see, he just didn't like them because of the usual inter-faith infighting which he decided to bring to Sylvania. If not for Abelhelm's efforts, then Kasmir would have been staffing the army with Sigmarites slowly brought in from halfway across the Empire, instead of using the existing local cults who're actually from the area and were sometimes already on the job.
And when Roswita came in, they sent in someone even worse than Kasmir! Kasmir was all about inter-faith infighting, but at least he was an actual battle-priest and healer! Meanwhile they sent a pure loremaster/socialite priest into a warzone instead of sending someone with immediately useful and sorely-needed skills, because that's a great decision!
This + the Sigmar supremacists we saw early on (who beat up people in the street for being insufficiently Sigmarite) may have slightly coloured the thread's image of the current leadership of Sigmar's Church. They come across as a lot more focused on their own political position than on actually fighting back against the Vampires.
Imagine what the thread would be up to if you hadn't posted that snippet of the Throne of Power regaining power. A lot of people would be right on board with Belegar on the "fuck Thorgrim" train.
To be entirely fair, there's basically no way for us (or Belegar) to guess what's really going on with the information that isn't so top-secret that it's known only to Thorgrim.
If Thorgrim doesn't want people to think he's a depressive madman dragging his entire nation down the drain with him, maybe he should try not adopting that as his public persona? And then not expecting people to immediately assume that there's some OCP that justifies his weirder-seeming decisions?
Except the "die well" decision. That was just rude and dumb, but it was dumb in a way that's mostly unconnected to his other flaws and circumstances.
Tbh, while the thread(I include myself here, I have been guilty of this multiple times) is fast to form negative first impressions, it also tends to not be rash , investigate before acting and be willing to reevaluate. Remember how Borek was handled? Thread's impression was super negative, but even detractors agreed to investigate motives before fully condemning.
>Johann sus
[Investigates]
>I will treasure my golden magic jock forever and we will go on chaotic adventures together!
