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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Godwinson said:
A keen eye might note that I wrote about a connection to "the forces of Order", not "the Karaz Ankor". Because while they're obviously not compatible with the latter, they might still be able to work alongside the Grey College.
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Grey College would say no for the same reason. Consorting with Chaos is a no go. Boney basically said the Empire would get out the pyres for them in a post awhile ago.

Guile said:
Suppressing a mutagenic Chaos aura so it can't turn people into Chaos Spawn, truly the blackest of arts.
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Touching chaos at all corrupts. Using Chaos to fight Chaos is a classic marketing ploy of Chaos. It's also all lies.
 
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I voted infiltrate last time, but the clock has run down too much now to get anything out of Dum.

Even a quick scout of the forest still means crossing 11 kilometers of desert each way. The tanks are moving south at ~6.5 kph.

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[X] LAST: Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
 
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Alliterate said:
He has two auras, we learned about the least relevant of them to a magical infiltration attempt.
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Morghur's base signature was explicitly described as blending into the background energies of the forest, which haven't been described as having any more Dhar than anywhere else in the vicinity - in which Mathilde has already used Rite of Way and Shadowsteed without exploding into a Chaos Spawn.

So no, fearmongering about magic usage inherently fucking us over because of some hypothetical invisible aura is just that.
 
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Derpmind said:
I disagree. The Blood Fountain was destroyed, and the other mysteries in Sylvania were never much on-screen. In contrast, Karag Dum is the centerpiece of in-game years, 17 and counting updates, and hundreds of pages of speculation. Mark my words, a narrow win for [] Leave will result in a strong desire by many in the thread to come back here, next time without a steam-wagon train and a dragon as backup. There's something in there worth finding, and it's taken us a bazillion pages to get just one step away from it.
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No, there is nothing in there worth finding. It is some sort of fallen Karak with no un-fallen survivors. There is more good to be done with the living than wasting good lives like Gotrek's stomping around literally hell.

Nah. If people can't handle their curiosity they can join Omegahugger in the "let's use Dhar" committee. This mystery is going to be unsolved, and that's for the best.


Guile said:
Suppressing a mutagenic Chaos aura so it can't turn people into Chaos Spawn, truly the blackest of arts.

Almost as terrible as their first heresy; not using the name Thungni gave them.

So they'll be doomed along with most of the known world? Bummer.
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suppressing a mutagenic Chaos aura so you can weaponize it to defend you home leads to further heresy. Dhar is literally corruptive like that, it's not a slippery slope fallacy because it's actually how Dhar works.

Yes. Their heresy also involves utilizing Divine magic which is not Ancestor Gods. Which is pretty serious, considering they're using it to wield the children of chaos as their shield.

And yeah. They'll get rekt with the rest of the world unless we beat the End Times. In which case they should still probably be dead given their position. But hey, maybe they'll still be standing!

not that we'll care, since the End Times will leave plenty to clean up in it's wake
 
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[x] LAST: Attempt to infiltrate Karag Dum
[x] LAST: Attempt to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
 
Guile said:
Suppressing a mutagenic Chaos aura so it can't turn people into Chaos Spawn, truly the blackest of arts.

Almost as terrible as their first heresy; not using the name Thungni gave them.

So they'll be doomed along with most of the known world? Bummer.
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Fwiw I believe that whatever's going on here is probably acceptable to Mathilde's values at large. The problem is that Mathilde thinks that reading the Liber Mortis is totally fine, and KD have done the equivalent of that, but openly.
 
wrecksalot said:
we have no way to know if they brought Morghur here, for all we know Morghur tried to invade and fell victim to the divine anti-chaos effect.
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They certainly chose to be on seemingly friendly relations judging by the whole Borek letting the Beast man pat his head in an affectionate manner thing.

Now that we know it's, at bare minimum, a being that eats people .. That can't be good.
 
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Abhorsen said:
Touching chaos at all corrupts. Using Chaos to fight Chaos is a classic marketing ploy of Chaos. It's also all lies.
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How sure are you that they're using Chaos?

Their waystone isn't corrupted. It is, in fact, still sending energy to Vlag and therefore Karaz-a-Karak like a good little soldier.

The Divine aura emanating from Dum is not Chaos; it repels Chaos. It gives Chaos swirlies in the boys' bathroom after gym class.

That's important information.
 
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But just to be clear for certain Leave voters, if we leave now, we are in no uncertain terms never coming back. As per WoQM, journeying in the Chaos Wastes by yourself is a death trap, even for Cython. This means the only way we are coming back is if we rally support for another Expedition, which is very obviously never going to happen (as half the thread has made clear, the Karaz Ankor doesn't give a shit about things this far north. It took over eighteen decades for a royal Thane to garner enough support for one Expedition, if we write off on things now a second is never going to happen).

If you're voting Leave on the logic that we'll be able to come back later (when the circumstances are different), we won't. Not for In-Universe decades and Out-of-Universe years at the very least. If you're voting Leave 'cause you don't care regardless, fair enough. But think carefully, nonetheless.
 
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@BoneyM
With what's known currently, would Mathilde making friendly contact with Karag Dum be considered as consorting with a Chaos faction? Because if the only options for contact now are required to be hostile, otherwise Mathilde is sent to the pyre, that changes a hell of a lot.
 
Phalfpipe said:
I voted infiltrate last time, but the clock has run down too much now.

Even a quick scout of the forest still means crossing 11 kilometers of desert each way. The tanks are moving south at ~6.5 kph.
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we move at about 40 kph with shadowsteed
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[x] LAST: Attempt to infiltrate Karag Dum
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don't forget to include
[] Last minute
if you want to contribute to us not just leaving

Ithuriel said:
We are ridiculously far from his normal stomping grounds in Bretonnia. I doubt he decided to just up and invade Dum one day.
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we have no idea if Morghur chooses where he respawns, for all we know he showed up during a kurgan siege.

King Arthur said:
They certainly chose to be on seemingly friendly relations judging by the whole Borek letting the Beast man pat his head on an affectionate manner thing.

Now that we know it's, at bare minimum, a being that eats people .. That can't be good.
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the We also eat sentients.
 
[x] LAST: Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] LAST: Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[x] Leave
 
Sovereign Hunt said:
But just to be clear for certain Leave voters, if we leave now, we are in no uncertain terms never coming back. As per WoQM, journeying in the Chaos Wastes by yourself is a death trap, even for Cython. This means the only way we are coming back is if we rally support for another Expedition, which is very obviously never going to happen (as half the thread has made clear, the Karaz Ankor doesn't give a shit about things this far north. It took over eighteen decades for a royal Thane to garner enough support for one Expedition, if we write off on things now a second is never going to happen).

If you're voting Leave on the logic that we'll be able to come back later (when the circumstances are different), we won't. Not for In-Universe decades and Out-of-Universe years at the very least. Consider this vote carefully.
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I am 100% fine with that. I suspect most voting leave are as well. It was a fun adventure but I'm not interested in returning to the Chaos Wastes.
 
Phalfpipe said:
I voted infiltrate last time, but the clock has run down too much now.

Even a quick scout of the forest still means crossing 11 kilometers of desert each way. The tanks are moving south at ~6.5 kph.
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The wagons travel 40 miles a day, the Shadowsteed can do 25 an hour, 10 hours a day.
And failing to infiltrate just means Mathilde rejoins the convoy earlier. I think it's a reasonable risk since instant death by mutation is off the table.
 
Godwinson said:
@BoneyM
With what's known currently, would Mathilde making friendly contact with Karag Dum be considered as consorting with a Chaos faction? Because if the only options for contact now are required to be hostile, otherwise Mathilde is sent to the pyre, that changes a hell of a lot.
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we literally strolled into Uzkulak and did business with them, if there's a pyre at the end of this then its already lit.
 
[X] Leave

We have entered "Teclis stops to frown and consider his course of action" territory.

And we ain't Teclis.
 
[X] Last minute
[X] LAST: Attempt to infiltrate Karag Dum

Leaving is fine on its own merits, but I think the chance she gets away from this fine is very high even if she doesn't necessarily find out much of use so I'll go ahead and vote for it.
 
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