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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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There is no battle between the beastmen and Karag Dum right?

Also we learned that Yusak called "the southern front" clear. Could we look at what exactly a "not clear" front? Who exactly is fighting who and how?
 
Chlof said:
So, let's lay out the facts
1 - Karag Dum is surrounded by a field of what I can assume is the corpses of previous chaos armies.
2 - Kurgans have been challenging Morghur for a long ass time.
3 - The forest only occupies a ring around the mountain, suggesting that Morghur doesn't occupy the hold proper.
4 - Morghur welcomed Borek in.
5 - The rest of Karag Dum's mountain range is gone, but the hold itself is intact.
6 - The Waystone flow is uninterrupted and pure.

Theory: Karag Dum resorted to desperate measures to defend themselves, first blowing up the mountain range and then either making the same pact the Zharr did with Hashut to Morghur or somehow binding Morghur in place to protect the hold.

Second Theory: Morghur has laid claim to Dum as his prey alone and is still sieging them while preventing any other chaos forces from getting a shot. This doesn't explain Borek's actions.
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Theory: Morghur is attempting to use Karag Dum to ascent to proper divinity. In service of this, he has started a protection racket/worship deal with Karag Dum. He also blew up the other mountains either in the fighting or to besiege the dwarves and gain power over them. The dwarves have bent under this protection racket, hence Borek being able to go, but still consider themselves loyal dwarves.
 
I feel we should investigate more, if only to make sure this isn't a potential powder keg waiting to explode. Send Matty in, quick in and out, and THEN we fuck off.
 
If they are actually successfully enslaving beastmen to fight on their behalf they might actually manage to hold out for a very long time.
 
Aura said:
Theory: Morghur is attempting to use Karag Dum to ascent to proper divinity. In service of this, he has started a protection racket/worship deal with Karag Dum. He also blew up the other mountains either in the fighting or to besiege the dwarves and gain power over them. The dwarves have bent under this protection racket, hence Borek being able to go, but still consider themselves loyal dwarves.
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That is way too sane and patient for Moghur.
 
DragonParadox said:
If they are binding the likes of Moghur they are servants of the Ruinous Powers, even if they are deluded enough to think otherwise. A grudge is a grudge no matter how they would rationalize it. The only thing we should have to do with dwarfs so far gone as to do so is kill them. Sadely we lack the resources to do so
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They are Order enough to still send clear energy down the dwarven network. Even if that is Morghur and they have binded it, how exactly is that a bad thing if they managed to do so without going crazy, as a society or metaphysically?
 
agumentic said:
They are Order enough to still send clear energy down the dwarven network. Even if that is Morghur and they have binded it, how exactly is that a bad thing if they managed to do so without going crazy, as a society or metaphysically?
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Because if you are binding Chaos, making deals with Chaos, using Chaos you will inevitably fall to its corrupting influence. Every daemonologist thinks they are different, smarter, all of them are wrong and all of them are damned.
 
Honestly? There's probably going to be a Grudge for this. But... I want to investigate so we can know just how bad of one, whether Dum is an active threat we'll have to worry about, or anything else.
 
Borek, and in extension Karag Dum, knows of the waystone network. So I'm wondering: how much power that's supposed to be flowing to the Karaz Ankor is coming from the Karag Dum-Vlag substation? Would maintaining this power source be enough to, say, convince Dum's leaders to make an alliance with Beastment?
 
I wonder if this is not Morghur. Or at least, not the Morghur which the Empire knows. If he is an archetype of being in the same way that Greater Demons are, then I think this could be another, far older, incarnation of that same archetype (much as you might have two different Lords of Change.) One that was probably bound by Karag Dum and then either escaped or was let loose during the Great War Against Chaos.
 
Same plan as vlag. Stopper the ways tone and see what happens?
This is clearly a shenanigans scenario. Mathilde knows something is hinky.
In the words of one of our first mentors "hit the mountain until it stops being evil"
 
Okay, so the action is very clear - we turn around and leave.

Theories, on the other hand...There are 3 real possibilities I've seen people suggest:

First, this isn't actually Morghur. Extremely unlikely, because we felt him breaking reality.

Second, Morghur corrupted Karag Dum. It seems mostly incompatible with Borek's reaction, but could work if Borek was already corrupted. Even then, though, he's acting weirdly caring and...I don't think it fits.

Third, Karag Dum bound Morghur. It's probably this? "Much they could have seen justified" indeed.

Then there's the absolutely bizarre theories involving things like where the other mountains went, and the forest and desert came from. Probably involving alternate realities or something. I'm just going to assume that those amount to being variants of the three above.
 
What I really don't get is how Borek didn't know that Karak Dum was Morghur-aligned, but Morghur knew that Borek was Karak-Dum aligned. And like, he knew on sight, they didn't even exchange pleasantries.

Blargh, this is not what I expected from the last update. Here my mind was crafting several well-spoken arguments designed to convince the thread the send in legions of skeletons against a horde of beastmen, and then BoneyM throw this overgrown Scooby-doo plot at us!

NECROMANCY CAN'T SOLVE THIS, OMEGAHUGGER WAS NOT BUILT FOR THIS KIND OF SITUATION!

[ ] THEORY: I HAVE NO CLUE
[ ] ACTION: ACTIVATE THE SECOND SECRET OF DHAR ON WHATEVER'S HAPPENING

JUST BLOW IT ALL UP AND LET THE WARP SORT IT OUT! AT LEAST WHATEVER'S LEFT WE CAN BE REASONABLY SURE IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING!

Okay, got it all out of my system for now.
 
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