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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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GrimTheMad said:
If we piss them off now, we may be able to drive them off hard enough that they give it up as a lost cause- maybe. There's arguments either way, but its going to be risky regardless of when when do it.
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I straight up do not believe that to be on the cards. If we drive them off hard enough, more likely they eat the possibility that some other Kurgan tribe is the one that actually gets to use what they consider a sacred treasure to at least ensure the enemies of chaos aren't keeping it on lockdown and tell all their neighbors about it too.
 
Garlak said:
Falls on a 1, makes harder on a 2, and 3+ to pass safely... and we roll a 6 and a 3.

Dammit. If we have to face the exact same rolls when returning via this path, for each steam-wagon, then... We're not going to be able to make it. 5 rolls to make, and needing to get a 3+ on each one? Needing to make a two-thirds chance 5 times?
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We can get a 2 on either of the last two rolls (but not both) without problems, so it ends up at about a 1/6 chance of no falls, with a high chance of multiple fails (or possibly just one fail meaning that no others can even attempt)

That said, Maximillian could perhaps use Law of Logic to boost chances, if the attempt to cross the section counts as sufficiently few tasks. I don't think anyone suggested it beforehand, and dwarves would be loathe to accept magical guidance, but it might be something to think on.
 
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Garlak said:
So instead we'll have the angry Kurgans constantly assaulting us while we go to Karag Dum; and then while we stay at Karag Dum; and then when we leave Karag Dum too.

How is that any better at all?

You still have to deal with Angry Kurgans On The Descent -- the only difference is that you have to deal with them for even longer.
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That's why I said we should wait until we're leaving.

But whether we do it now or do it later, either way, that slow cross across the broken cliff with a 1/3 chance of going badly is going to be even harder on the return trip, when we'll have Kurgan and/or Chaos Servants harrying us and we likely won't have the time to peacefully unload and make a careful transition...

Yeah, we'll almost certainly need to go over the ice on our return trip. This is gonna suck.
 
CrimsonOddball said:
We need some form of solution for the return trip to at least increase the odds, a 1 in 6 chance of losing each Steam Wagon, and likely every Steam Wagon behind it, is simply untenable
It's a problem for another day, once we figure out what's even happening in Dum to begin with, but it's a problem
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I just had a crazy idea. Why don't we get a lot of explosives, and blow up the cliffs into a ramp of rubble that the Steam Wagons can go down with Rite of Way?
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
one of these
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
I'd prefer to use it near constantly, so we speed this up as much as we can and cover the difficult terrain.
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Remember that each extra tier of Rite of Way use means an extra action spent on it. So "nearly continuously" means we spend 3 AP on Rite of Way and have only 1 available for other stuff.
BoneyM said:
- For the Rite of Way vote, vote cumulatively. For example, if you want to use two of Mathilde's four choices on it, vote for both the 'rough terrain' and 'moderately difficult ground' options.
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@BoneyM, I would suggest moving this reminder up from the end of the post to "directly under the three Rite of Way options," to ensure more people read it, i.e.
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
[ ] Use Rite of Way nearly constantly
- For the Rite of Way vote, vote cumulatively. For example, if you want to use two of Mathilde's four choices on it, vote for both the 'rough terrain' and 'moderately difficult ground' options.
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GrimTheMad said:
In that its not going to be 'fine' regardless. Pissing off an entire Kurgan tribe is always going to be dangerous- and if we have to flee them while making this very dangerous crossing it could be disastrous.

We'll also likely be much weaker on the return trip.

If we piss them off now, we may be able to drive them off hard enough that they give it up as a lost cause- maybe. There's arguments either way, but its going to be risky regardless of when when do it.
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That... that sounds crazy optimistic. For us to just fight off a Chaos Marauder tribe, and to not take too many losses? It risks jeopardizing our mission to Karag Dum, as it leaves us weaker for Karag Dum. What happens if we take losses against the Kurgan tribe, and find it impossible to hard to complete Karag Dum or save Karag Dum or whatever? Anyway, what's the priority here? Karag Dum, or the Chaos Goblet?

We might be weaker on the return trip, but this way, we risk being weaker on the entrance trip. (Is that the right phrase? Eh.)

However, there's another possibility if we pick one of the "steal it later" options -- we do the theft while the Expedition is safely behind Karag Dum's defenses (assuming that Karag Dum is intact and held by the Dwarfs), and able to withstand a siege by a Kurgan tribe.


So...

We bring the Expedition to Karag Dum. We have Borek give the passphrases, assuming Karag Dum is intact. And then we fend off the Kurgans with the power of the Expedition and the siege defenses of Karag Dum.
 
Ok I am seeing people saying the Kurgen would be mad if we stole the chalice. But the question I have is who would know? Can the Kurgen sense it or their shamans? Mathilde can sneak nearly anywhere and steal stuff.
 
reignonyrparade said:
I would rather fight the steppe nomads on the hazardous pass where at least one steam wagon is almost certain to be destroyed, than fight the steppe nomads on the steppe, because steppe nomads are notably better at fighting on a flat plain than in narrow mountain passes.
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I would rather fight the steppe nomads on the hazardous pass where at least one steam wagon is almost certain to be destroyed, than fight the steppe nomads on the steppe, because steppe nomads are notably better at fighting on the steppe than the hazardous pass where at least one steam wagon is almost certain to be destroyed.

ftfy ;)
 
I would put off stealing the chaos artefact as long as possible. The longer it's in our possession, the more people want to screw with us or chase us down to recover it.

Contacting the Dolgan and Yusak, though, seems important. We could get more troops from the Yusak potentially, and maybe extra food, and also get more food from the Dolgan.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok I am seeing people saying the Kurgen would be mad if we stole the chalice. But the question I have is who would know? Can the Kurgen sense it or their shamans? Mathilde can sneak nearly anywhere and steal stuff.
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Major Chaos artifacts (like this chalice) tend to have a presence to them, especially to those aligned with Chaos.
 
Nurgle said:
Ok I am seeing people saying the Kurgen would be mad if we stole the chalice. But the question I have is who would know? Can the Kurgen sense it or their shamans? Mathilde can sneak nearly anywhere and steal stuff.
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They may not notice Mathilde in the act of stealing it, but they're quite likely to notice their treasured Chaos Artefact Of Making Powerful Mutant Chiefs gone- and we're the new Weird Metal Box Interlopers on the scene.
 
Easing the wear and tear on the tanks is going to be important from now on.

And yeah, this cup that bleeds demon blood and makes people into super soldiers is probably a major military/ religious thing for the tribes. Stealing it on the way in seems like the sort of thing that would really piss them off, maybe badly enough to unite them against the expedition.
 
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