- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
Could we explode into the mountain side to give more room for the tanks?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
- Location
- Canada
Given that the Ice Witch can sense the goblet over long distances, it would surprise me if the chaos worshipers didn't have a similar way of keeping track of their chaos goblet over long distances.
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Absolutely the Worst
- Location
- Midwest USA
oh for fuck's sake, seriously, fucking flat D6 now? god, that's bullshit.
god dammit, we can't even do a frame job on this?
- Location
- Earth
People are saying that it's a risk, and rightly so. The tribe that it got stolen from would definitely know when it's missing, and assuming they have decent scouting and knowledge of their territories, it's not a big leap to make a connection between a stolen artifact and that suspicious crowd of heavily armed strange-looking new people who are in the area.
Also, if Ljiljana can track it, they probably can too.
It would take expertise that the Expedition lacks.
Relatively quickly was still an entire week.
- Location
- Oklahoma
Like I said, I suspect it'll be a problem no matter what- if we have an entire tribe on our asses I'm not sure 'not take too many losses' is even on the table.
However-
I stand by this, but there is another possibility- more personal risk but less risk to the expedition. If we can convince the Ice Witch whose name I'm not even going to attempt we might be able to just have Mathilda steal the grail after the expedition has already returned home.
This would null the risk to the convoy, but leave Mathilda without a fallback point if she does get caught- and while she's very very good at this kind of thing, Kurgan do have Ulgu using shamans so its not outside the realm of possibility that they are actively on the lookout for magical infiltration.
Also, Mathilda on her own can make it out of the Wastes entirely within three days, making this the option where we spend the least amount of time around the nega-holy grail.
With the obvious downside of Mathilda potentially pissing off the entire tribe on her own with no backup in the middle of the wastes.
(Also, again, Ice Witch may not be willing to go for this at all.)
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Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Or they might just as easily fight each other for the right to claim it for themselves, since the previous owners have clearly lost the favour of the gods in losing it. Chaos is ever ready to self-sabotage, after all.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
What we might do is blow it up into a ramp, but also blow up some of the plateau leading to the switchbacks and create a canyon so that said ramp can be at a gentler incline.
- Location
- Washington
Getting the full "dazed look as equations fly by" experience trying to figure out whether this post is pro- or anti-fighting steppe nomads in the steppes.I would rather fight the steppe nomads on the hazardous pass where at least one steam wagon is almost certain to be destroyed, than fight the steppe nomads on the steppe, because steppe nomads are notably better at fighting on the steppe than the hazardous pass where at least one steam wagon is almost certain to be destroyed.
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Oh they will surely fight each other for the right to claim it for themselves, but I'm not willing to bet that BEFORE making sure the outsiders don't make off with it while they're fighting.
- Location
- somewhere over there.
- Pronouns
- They/It
Hard to say, and if they can't tell she stole it, it wouldn't end up mattering whether we do it now or then.
You'd have to eyeball the thing to know. That Ljiljana hasn't said anything about it strongly suggests she doesn't have a solution.
To repeat again: if the tribe that has it is the Dolgan, then...
Well.
How are we going to be buying cattle from the Dolgans then? If we just stole from them, and they're majorly riled up or suspicious (or, worst case, can sense the Goblet or something)?
I don't want to endanger the expedition now, nor do I want to endanger the very-necessary Dolgan food trade deal, either. Maybe we'll find that Karag Dum has herd animals or tons of food that they can spare -- but in that case, that still means delaying theft until we reach Karag Dum and see what it's like.
Well.
How are we going to be buying cattle from the Dolgans then? If we just stole from them, and they're majorly riled up or suspicious (or, worst case, can sense the Goblet or something)?
I don't want to endanger the expedition now, nor do I want to endanger the very-necessary Dolgan food trade deal, either. Maybe we'll find that Karag Dum has herd animals or tons of food that they can spare -- but in that case, that still means delaying theft until we reach Karag Dum and see what it's like.
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- He/Him
The vote isn't open yet. Look down there, it says "voting will open in ---"
- Location
- Canada
I would think that sort of thing would result in a free-for-all with us in the center, which doesn't sound like a much better situation. Either way we'd still be taking a lot of attacks from a lot of directions.
- Location
- Washington
Only true if they aren't inclined to blame the Metal Bawkses Outsiders regardless even without evidence that the Metal Bawkses Outsiders are the ones behind it, which is hardly guaranteed. Because y'know. The 'sacred' chaos artifact going missing while the Metal Bawkses Outsiders are in the neighborhood is gonna be mighty suspicious.
As much as it would be great not to have to fight at all, playing kingmaker amongst the tribes might be a distasteful but sound strategy if there are any conflicts to take advantage of.
Of course, the most palatable ally would be a Yusak who turned on the Chaos Gods but depending on local politics, our overwhelming firepower could potentially be very tempting for any tribe. So long as we get to stay in the back, we could potentially influence a fight massivelly at relatively lower risk than facing an enemy alone. Of course, whether there is such opportunity is unknown for now, but we know that the first time we met the Dolgan, we could ask them to attack other tribes.
The way I see it, it makes meeting tribes an informative choice. Of course, I'd rather meet the Yusak first if possible to inform any decision we take with the Dolgan but it might not be possible to do this without being noticed by the Dolgan themselves.
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Yusak
Other than that, I'd concentrate on RoW to lessen potential mishaps with our chief engineer gone.
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
Of course, the most palatable ally would be a Yusak who turned on the Chaos Gods but depending on local politics, our overwhelming firepower could potentially be very tempting for any tribe. So long as we get to stay in the back, we could potentially influence a fight massivelly at relatively lower risk than facing an enemy alone. Of course, whether there is such opportunity is unknown for now, but we know that the first time we met the Dolgan, we could ask them to attack other tribes.
The way I see it, it makes meeting tribes an informative choice. Of course, I'd rather meet the Yusak first if possible to inform any decision we take with the Dolgan but it might not be possible to do this without being noticed by the Dolgan themselves.
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Yusak
Other than that, I'd concentrate on RoW to lessen potential mishaps with our chief engineer gone.
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Yeah, those are yikes odds. By my math, that's a 13% chance of not rolling below a 3 on the return trip. Might get 6s every time, of course, but no real way to help that.
Way I see it at least, only way we're descending with any kind of surety is if Karag Dum is intact and can supply the tools and expertise. Anyway else is a very literal roll of the dice.
Way I see it at least, only way we're descending with any kind of surety is if Karag Dum is intact and can supply the tools and expertise. Anyway else is a very literal roll of the dice.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
If we steal the cup now, we have to fight angry tribesmembers harassing us the entire way there and back. If we steal it on the way back, we only have to fight them for that stretch of the way back.
If you really think that we can have a stand-up fight with a Chaos tribe for a holy artefact and drive them off "so well that they don't come back" - and I very much do not - what's stopping us from doing that on the way back?
The only argument I've heard that makes any sense at all is that Ljiliana will put more effort into the rest of the expedition. That doesn't nearly outweigh the drawbacks in my mind, and at a certain level of things getting hairy she'll be obliged to put her back into it regardless.
Going for the cup on the way to Dum is a mistake.
If you really think that we can have a stand-up fight with a Chaos tribe for a holy artefact and drive them off "so well that they don't come back" - and I very much do not - what's stopping us from doing that on the way back?
The only argument I've heard that makes any sense at all is that Ljiliana will put more effort into the rest of the expedition. That doesn't nearly outweigh the drawbacks in my mind, and at a certain level of things getting hairy she'll be obliged to put her back into it regardless.
Going for the cup on the way to Dum is a mistake.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
[ ] Ranging far ahead of the convoy
- With the Knights of Taal's Fury
Other:
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
- These are the Kurgans Mathilde met with earlier, who agreed to sell her cattle.
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Yusak
- These are the Kurgan that live directly south of Karag Dum, who are said to have lost the favour of the Gods and may be seeking to move further south.
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Iron Wolves
I favor one or two Rite of way applications, and spending the rest of our actions either making contact with kurgan tribes or ranging far ahead.
Of Note: I think we should make contact with a second tribe while simultaneously reopening diplomacy this turn.
That way if they betray our existing deal they will be doing so with the fear that they will simply be losing out in opportunity to another tribe, and any refusal to sell will essentially be betting that no other tribe in the area will be tempted for it to be a meaningful decision.
- With the Knights of Taal's Fury
Other:
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the worst patches of rough terrain
[ ] Use Rite of Way for the moderately difficult ground
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Dolgan
- These are the Kurgans Mathilde met with earlier, who agreed to sell her cattle.
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Yusak
- These are the Kurgan that live directly south of Karag Dum, who are said to have lost the favour of the Gods and may be seeking to move further south.
[ ] Attempt to make contact with the Iron Wolves
I favor one or two Rite of way applications, and spending the rest of our actions either making contact with kurgan tribes or ranging far ahead.
Of Note: I think we should make contact with a second tribe while simultaneously reopening diplomacy this turn.
That way if they betray our existing deal they will be doing so with the fear that they will simply be losing out in opportunity to another tribe, and any refusal to sell will essentially be betting that no other tribe in the area will be tempted for it to be a meaningful decision.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
@BoneyM, the last time we were in the neighborhood (Heh. Neighborhood. Horses. I crack me up.), you mentioned that we couldn't contact the Yusak without the Dolgan knowing that we did. Is that still true?
- Location
- Manchester, UK
- Pronouns
- He/They
I'm not sure if you didn't see mine or you disagree with it, but to repeat:
If we end up in a fight at Karag Dum there's a real possibility of someone drinking from the cup (potentially triggering it to break and disappear) to power themselves up for the fight.
This would make them more of a threat and potentially prevent us claiming it.
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- He/Him
Oh thank Ranald. I had to set my phone down for a minute and just really really hope that the rolls went okay. With Operation Sleepy Cows underway, we actually have a much better food situation.
My inclination is definitely to ensure that we'll get the food without trouble, because that is now increasingly important. Default choice for the rest of our AP is to Rite of Way as much as possible, and any remaining options has to prove themselves more valuable than the speed boost. I don't think that social options are viable anymore, we have too many vital duties.
My inclination is definitely to ensure that we'll get the food without trouble, because that is now increasingly important. Default choice for the rest of our AP is to Rite of Way as much as possible, and any remaining options has to prove themselves more valuable than the speed boost. I don't think that social options are viable anymore, we have too many vital duties.