Yes.
So long as the water is sufficiently thin.
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So long as the water is sufficiently thin.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
No, the answer is "definitely not", because Rite of Way uses the Ulgu present in the transition from solid to different solid/liquid/gap to decide where to put the mini Skywalks. So for something like a relatively small gap/puddle it can bridge that gap, but the surface of a larger water body doesn't have that kind of transition present so the spell won't have an anchor.
It can let you cross thin ice though.
Bretonnia also has Virtues, which its Knights can take, which function like magical effects. (And apparently Total War added Troths that Damsels can take, which are probably similar things.)
They have a variety of stuff, and it sounds like what's happening here is that they are working with a divine lore of mists, chivalry, and fey or otherwordly power. I don't think this is evidence of Ulgu battle magic; I think this is evidence of a Lore of the Lady. Or of some kind of divine or otherwordly and fey powers on the part of Damsels.
There's overlap and similarities. Just like people make comparisons between the Lore of Ulgu and Ranald's magic. Or how Michel is looking into the Ice Crone magics for inspiration or ideas. (Or perhaps the Lore of Light and ice dragons being, well, ice?)
... Actually, how do we know that this is Ulgu-related rather than Ghyran-related? I think the Jade Wind is associated with mists, with rivers, too after all, right? So it could be some weird Ghyran stuff rather than Ulgu stuff. Or a weird mix of Ghyran and Ulgu both.
They have a variety of stuff, and it sounds like what's happening here is that they are working with a divine lore of mists, chivalry, and fey or otherwordly power. I don't think this is evidence of Ulgu battle magic; I think this is evidence of a Lore of the Lady. Or of some kind of divine or otherwordly and fey powers on the part of Damsels.
There's overlap and similarities. Just like people make comparisons between the Lore of Ulgu and Ranald's magic. Or how Michel is looking into the Ice Crone magics for inspiration or ideas. (Or perhaps the Lore of Light and ice dragons being, well, ice?)
... Actually, how do we know that this is Ulgu-related rather than Ghyran-related? I think the Jade Wind is associated with mists, with rivers, too after all, right? So it could be some weird Ghyran stuff rather than Ulgu stuff. Or a weird mix of Ghyran and Ulgu both.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Sure - thin ice still has a transition between solid and liquid. Similarly, I'd expect it to work well with mud (in a transitional stage between solid and liquid) and loose sand (in a transitional stage between solid and empty). What it can't do is let you ford a river or cross a cliff.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Mechanically, the Troths are the Damsel-equivalent to the Vows the Knights take, not the Virtues. That is, the Knight's Vow, the Questing Vow, and the Grail Vow.
Oh, right, the Vows. Should have realized that right off the bat just from the word. Vow. Troth. Same thing basically.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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The word 'vow' has suddenly ceased to look normal to me.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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You've always seemed to me like a de-vowed sort.
With that version it would be nice to have an option to actually set skywalk below every footm needed or not - which would prevent people from leaving foor tracks and make cavalry charge close-to-silent.
To be honest, I don't really understand why. Part of preparation was to see all combination of terrain and hardwire them into the spell. If there is a 'gap' underfoot, put skywalk there. If there is solid, do not. If there is liquid surrounded by solid, skywalk instance on liquid. Criteria "liquid surrounded by liquid" is just another criteria on that list. It would generate skywalk instance just above surface of liquid.
Details to how exactly does it work were below level of abstraction - but if was said that preparation covered every combination. So I would say, that yes, ROW should allow You to cross the river. Plus, crossing the rivers were in original specification for a spell.
As long as we keep it reasonable and not try to recreate wild hunt over surface of sea, it would work fine. Rivers or not, swamps or not. Just let's not poke into this too much,
Anyway - one of elements I'm rather curious about is how ROW will work in hands other than Mathilde. We know, that it would be weaker - but how much so? Without:
- Staff of Mistery that boosts effects of mists spells
- Ulgu specialization focused on fog/mist
- Without bonus of being creator of the spell
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
You don't actually want a silent cavalry charge. The noise is actually quite scary, and cav is always better off if the peeps they are charging spook.
Either you didn't pay attention to this Quest or forgot a big chunk of it - the dead in canon Prince Kazrik is Belegar's Diplomacy advisor, and Kazador is a close ally of K8P who helped out substantially during the retaking of the Karak, and who in this quest has a LOT of children.
This guy :
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Dramatis Personae updated a few minutes ago.
I believe the bolded lines are new, but I don't have an old version of the page handy to check.
You'd be increasing the power required by a huge amount, and it would need to be completely reworked to find an Ulgu-appropriate way to seek out where feet are about to be planted rather than the possible obstacles.
The spell doesn't have a vast list of possible obstacles programmed into it, it just seeks out transitions from one thing to another and plonks a Skywalk on it, which covers most reasonably-sized natural obstacles. But not rivers. Water surrounded by water is no different to it than stone surrounded by stone would be.
NexusEye
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The Ulgu targeting works by detecting differences, it isn't able to distinguish between liquid surrounded by solid and solid surrounded by liquid but it is able to detect that it is something surrounded by something else and that it should cast Skywalk there but to it liquid surrounded by liquid looks the same as solid surrounded by solid and it can either not cast Skywalk in those circumstances which means RoW can't cross rivers and bodies of water or always cast Skywalk in those circumstances which would make it horrendously inefficient.
Rite of way above water seems much harder to maintain than above land. I mean, water flows thus changing every instant... even oceans and lakes have waves.
Having such a chaotic variable seems like calling for a miscast.
Having such a chaotic variable seems like calling for a miscast.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
No, I'm confident you're right on that.
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oh yeah, guys another thing that needs to be high up on the "To-do" list, once the expedition over.
Gaining control of our Arcane marks.
We are dwarf and a grandmaster, our control of our craft needs to be much less shoddy!
We must impress Grandpa Kragg!
Gaining control of our Arcane marks.
We are dwarf and a grandmaster, our control of our craft needs to be much less shoddy!
We must impress Grandpa Kragg!
They would roll to learn and cast it. And then natural 100s to some exceptional mastery that makes Mathilde look bad in comparison.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
That shoulders of giants quote takes on a different meaning when you are one of the giants.
NexusEye
Aspiring God
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This is worrying but not automatically a bad thing, the problem with micromanagement isn't that it's inherently bad it's that most people are bad micromanagers and do more harm than good, although good micromanagers are admittedly very rare.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Savvy, meanwhile, is out and out good, as it means we probably don't need to be concerned about him biting off more than he can chew due to his ambitions. It looks like even though he wants success and advancement, he's aware of humanity's general place on the food chain.
- Location
- Czech Republic
It might also give us insight about our soul, which seems important with the whole dwarf thing.