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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Alratan said:
On the other hand, there's a reason that the Sword of Judgement is the symbol of the Grey Order and the magical rune representing the Wind of Ulgu. There's a strong legendary connection between Ulgu and swords, which is why it's the rune that represents it.
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Ok, but why would that not have allowed for sword-spells already? It seems like something obscure enough that it only comes into play at battle-magic levels of the winds, and we still have the in-universe aside about swords and shadow knives to see against it.

Personally, I think we should give Reginald a present and codify that chisel-knife we use before we bang our heads against the wall that shadow-swords likely are.
 
Glau said:
Ok, but why would that not have allowed for sword-spells already? It seems like something obscure enough that it only comes into play at battle-magic levels of the winds, and we still have the in-universe aside about swords and shadow knives to see against it.

Personally, I think we should give Reginald a present and codify that chisel-knife we use before we bang our heads against the wall that shadow-swords likely are.
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I think codifying the Shadow Dagger is the first step to making the shadow sword.
 
@BoneyM if a noble develops magic, are they still a noble and may they keep their land/inherit? I have some vague notion that the answer is "no" from what I remember reading but Mathilde's knighthood and fief instead suggest "yes".
 
Andres110 said:
@BoneyM if a noble develops magic, are they still a noble and may they keep their land/inherit? I have some vague notion that the answer is "no" from what I remember reading but Mathilde's knighthood and fief instead suggest "yes".
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Answer is "it's complicated".
In part due to prejudice against magic users (who are not priests), in part due to required oaths to the colleges.
I don't think it is illegal to have a magister heir to a noble title, but don't quote me on that.
 
Actually, I think the wizards will be far more impressed by Rite of Way than the dwarves. The dwarves know magic can do useful stuff, this is useful stuff, what's so strange? They literally don't know enough to be as impressed as they should be.

WIZARDS: This is battle magic tier magic that we've never heard of before.

MATHILDE: Oh, do you like it? I threw it together as a side project in about a year and a half. Figured it would come in handy.

WIZARDS: 👀 That is definitely some Lord Magister tier bullshit.

Most many wizards go their entire lives without inventing one new spell, much less a new BM.
 
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Andres110 said:
@BoneyM if a noble develops magic, are they still a noble and may they keep their land/inherit? I have some vague notion that the answer is "no" from what I remember reading but Mathilde's knighthood and fief instead suggest "yes".
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In theory there's nothing that outright prevents it, but in practice many noble families will disinherit or even completely disown family members with magic, or have them either attempt to suppress their magic or study it in secret. This final category is commonly known as 'Magickers' and is extremely illegal, but hard to crack down on.
 
Andres110 said:
@BoneyM if a noble develops magic, are they still a noble and may they keep their land/inherit? I have some vague notion that the answer is "no" from what I remember reading but Mathilde's knighthood and fief instead suggest "yes".
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Some colleges my let you keep the title of Noble, but culturally (and maybe legally) your not going to inherit the lands or deeds or positions of power connected to the family. (you can essentially go form heir to last in line.)

but some families might still keep you involved and in the Black when it comes to money.

the thing with Mathy is that she got those after going to college, not before.
 
inirlan said:
*Looks at Kazador's numerous progeny*
Yes, one day.
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Hello I may have a problem with this. When I research Kazador and warhammer fantasy only 1 thing shows up. This A king of karak Azul who is very big and who can drink better than any dwarf. But it also says that he only has a single son that was shaved and nailed to his throne so I don't understand how he has numerous progeny. If you are talking about somedwarf else I would appreciate a clarification.
And regarding dwarf women their society practices reverse harems also known as Polyandry so if it is one dwarf woman with multiple children it might not all have the same father.
 
No7sHere said:
@BoneyM if we discovered one these Magickers would we be obligated to kill them or could we still recruit them for the colleges?
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If they're uncorrupted they can be recruited, but that would rely on them only having found wholesome and correct magical tomes on the black market to learn from, or having been taught by a completely law-abiding and non-sinister rogue Magister.

onurpower said:
Hello I may have a problem with this. When I research Kazador and warhammer fantasy only 1 thing shows up. This A king of karak Azul who is very big and who can drink better than any dwarf. But it also says that he only has a single son that was shaved and nailed to his throne so I don't understand how he has numerous progeny. If you are talking about somedwarf else I would appreciate a clarification.
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Most wiki articles are set in about the year 2520. This quest began in 2470 and is currently in the 2486, so some events on the wiki haven't come to pass yet, and may never come to pass.

onurpower said:
And regarding dwarf women their society practices reverse harems also known as Polyandry so if it is one dwarf woman with multiple children it might not all have the same father.
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Polyandry is accepted but not the norm in Dwarven society, despite it being practiced by Grungni, Valaya, and Grimnir. It's most common in Warrior Clans where a wife is wed to multiple brothers in the hope that at least one will survive long enough to father children.
 
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onurpower said:
Hello I may have a problem with this. When I research Kazador and warhammer fantasy only 1 thing shows up. This A king of karak Azul who is very big and who can drink better than any dwarf. But it also says that he only has a single son that was shaved and nailed to his throne so I don't understand how he has numerous progeny. If you are talking about somedwarf else I would appreciate a clarification.
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In this quest, he has 20 kids. Also, that event hasn't occurred yet.

(Also also, while Kazrik was explicitly named as the heir, I don't believe there's anything saying that Kazrik was his only child)
 
No7sHere said:
@BoneyM if we discovered one these Magickers would we be obligated to kill them or could we still recruit them for the colleges?
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Anyone can join the Colleges at any age. It's only if they refused, or were discovered to have been using Dhar, Necromancy or Daemonology that we'd be at an obligation to either kill them or give them over to a Witch Hunter's pyre.
 
onurpower said:
Hello I may have a problem with this. When I research Kazador and warhammer fantasy only 1 thing shows up. This A king of karak Azul who is very big and who can drink better than any dwarf. But it also says that he only has a single son that was shaved and nailed to his throne so I don't understand how he has numerous progeny. If you are talking about somedwarf else I would appreciate a clarification.
And regarding dwarf women their society practices reverse harems also known as Polyandry so if it is one dwarf woman with multiple children it might not all have the same father.
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In quest, Kazador has many more kids (iirc twenty something?).
The nailed to his throne part happens in the future in an alternate universe. To Prince Kazrik, who is in the Dramatis Personae info threadmark
 
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Briefvoice said:
Actually, I think the wizards will be far more impressed by Rite of Way than the dwarves. The dwarves know magic can do useful stuff, this is useful stuff, what's so strange? They literally don't know enough to be as impressed as they should be.

WIZARDS: This is battle magic tier magic that we've never heard of before.

MATHILDE: Oh, do you like it? I threw it together as a side project in about a year and a half. Figured it would come in handy.

WIZARDS: 👀 That is definitely some Lord Magister tier bullshit.

Most many wizards go their entire lives without inventing one new spell, much less a new BM.
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I do agree that 'Rite of Way' is only truly impressive when you actually know something about magic.

normals: Magic fog that you can walk on, cool and useful.

Wizards:... is she casting Skywalk thousands upon thousands of times while making sure to modify each cast to correctly modify the x and y-axis to create an artificial flat plain? how, why and HOW!!
 
BoneyM said:
There's also the scenario where a noble scion has a 'rogue' Magister assigned to teach them in exchange for certain favours and assistance to the College in question, which is technically legal but is rarely practiced because it's dangerous to have fledgeling Wizards outside a mono-Wind environment.
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Couldn't the noble technically have something like Mathilde's Grey tower built for themselves while they learn? I imagine if the Colleges are willing to shelve out for a tutor they would not begrudge a tower.
 
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