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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Garlak said:
Or perhaps just a quickly muttered prayer for good fortune. Just, something characterful rather than a concrete plan.
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Mathilde doesn't directly pray to Ranald - that's not how their relationship works. The one time she directly clasped her hands and prayed that way, as opposed to performing a ritual to Ranald on someone elses behalf or by jumping headfirst into shenanigans, was to save Abel, and this isn't on the same level of personal importance.

The way Mathilde sees it, either Ranald has her back or He doesn't, and she doesn't need to pray to invoke His attention.
 
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Garlak said:
We can still pray to Ranald for help though, right? "Oh god, please don't let me screw this up!" is probably the most ancient and traditional of prayers. Particularly when it comes to a god like Ranald. :V

Could we do the same sort of thing we did the night after Karag Nar -- i.e. some sort of tradition or ritual to give thanks to Ranald? (Also, ack, it was Nar rather than Yar that we stole from Mork at. Oops.) Or perhaps just a quickly muttered prayer for good fortune. Just, something characterful rather than a concrete plan.
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It'd be pretty redundant. You'd probably have to commit some pretty major blasphemy just to stop him from showing up to an attempt to steal a city from Chaos.
 
BoneyM said:
It'd be pretty redundant. You'd probably have to commit some pretty major blasphemy just to stop him from showing up to an attempt to steal a city from Chaos.
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...Is that a confirmation he'll be hanging around? Because it would be really nice to have some divine presence when all hell breaks loose. Also we need somebody to relay our clever scheme to somebody who can properly appreciate it, like Heidi.
 
wrecksalot said:
Gosh, the stories Grey Wizard apprentices tell about Lady Magister Dame Thane Loremaster Grey are going to be wild.
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BoneyM said:
If he's not, it won't be for lack of trying.
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...It's a damn shame we can't be declared a Saint Grey before we die. This probably counts as a qualifying act even if none of our previous stunts did. I'm not sure if mugging Mork would technically be enough, since it was just us and him and totally an off-the-cuff thing that wouldn't have been completely disastrous if we let it be. Well, to anybody but us at least.
Jyn Ryvia said:
do you think avatar procs as a defence without him looking out for her?
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Depends on if Avatar counts as a trait intrinsic to Mathilde, or as a manifestation of his favor. I've always seen it to be the former, not the latter.
 
spiritualatheist said:
I will point out that this doesn't preclude Brettonia being hyper-stratified I. Any way. Peasants are going to be far more likely to fail at these tasks simply because they lack the training, knowledge and nutrition given to nobles as a matter of course.
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Sure, but just making the attempt automatically makes you a knight. You become a Knight Errant for trying, whether you succeed or not. If you succeed an errand, you become a Knight of the Realm. 5e Bretonnia has really easy social mobility. You just need to accept that you've signed up to a nobility that sees its primary duty as killing everything that threatens the nation.
 
Ericwinter said:
Depends on if Avatar counts as a trait intrinsic to Mathilde, or as a manifestation of his favor. I've always seen it to be the former, not the latter.
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I see it as intrinsic to Mathilde. but what it does is not protect her or something with an 'effect'

it makes her a lighting rod for divide power. eg. she can let a god in easier then other people.

what the god does with that open door is the 'effect'

in this case protect Mathy

for the battle let Gazul smite some green bitchs.

etc etc.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I see it as intrinsic to Mathilde. but what it does is not protect her or something with an 'effect'

it makes her a lighting rod for divide power. eg. she can let a god in easier then other people.

what the god does with that open door is the 'effect'

in this case protect Mathy

for the battle let Gazul smite some green bitchs.

etc etc.
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I think represents her windsight being able to see divine power, so she is able to know for sure what source the effect is coming from, and can brace herself mentally before it hits.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I see it as intrinsic to Mathilde. but what it does is not protect her or something with an 'effect'

it makes her a lighting rod for divide power. eg. she can let a god in easier then other people.

what the god does with that open door is the 'effect'

in this case protect Mathy

for the battle let Gazul smite some green bitchs.

etc etc.
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I don't think that Avatar was integral to the Eye of Gazul working. It might have be n integral for having "noticed by Gazul" as an option on the roll.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
do you think avatar procs as a defence without him looking out for her?
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Avatar represents Mathilde's capacity to witness divine powers, which the Dark Powers fall under. It procs when a god-like entity tries to do something that might be effected by us viewing it.
BoneyM said:
Avatar: You've had close encounters not only with your own God, but with others, and are growing able to recognize and understand divine energies. +1 Piety, +1 Learning, able to sense nearby divine intervention.
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Imagine if that sensation of Temptation didn't come with a handy visual cue that it was mind control, rather than a deeper truth or something like that.
Jyn Ryvia said:
I see it as intrinsic to Mathilde. but what it does is not protect her or something with an 'effect'

it makes her a lighting rod for divide power. eg. she can let a god in easier then other people.

what the god does with that open door is the 'effect'

in this case protect Mathy

for the battle let Gazul smite some green bitchs.

etc etc.
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Avatar is a Sight power. It doesn't literally make her an avatar of anything.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I see it as intrinsic to Mathilde. but what it does is not protect her or something with an 'effect'

it makes her a lighting rod for divide power. eg. she can let a god in easier then other people.

what the god does with that open door is the 'effect'

in this case protect Mathy

for the battle let Gazul smite some green bitchs.

etc etc.
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I mean, I can see how that would make sense, but as people point out it seems more about Mathy being better at dealing with divine energies than just allowing Ranald to act to protect her. But, this is easy to solve.

@BoneyM can you explain how, exactly, Avatar procced and what it did for us there? Was it Ranald shielding is or just our personal ability to resist enhanced in some way?
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Sure, but just making the attempt automatically makes you a knight. You become a Knight Errant for trying, whether you succeed or not. If you succeed an errand, you become a Knight of the Realm. 5e Bretonnia has really easy social mobility. You just need to accept that you've signed up to a nobility that sees its primary duty as killing everything that threatens the nation.
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Knight Errant has an inbuilt obligation to be pursuing Errands. You can't just say you're going to go Erranding, wave a sword in the general direction of something nasty, and then shrug and say you did your best and live out the rest of your life as a Knight Errant. If you're not actively performing a worthy deed or travelling in search of one, you're not a Knight Errant.

Ericwinter said:
@BoneyM can you explain how, exactly, Avatar procced and what it did for us there? Was it Ranald shielding is or just our personal ability to resist enhanced in some way?
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It's easier to resist mental trickery when you know it's happening.
 
Mathilde has enough rep at this point that if she went to Bretonnia I expect that she would quickly become a new archetype in their stories.

Edit: So long as she had her coin set to protector.
 
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BoneyM said:
It's easier to resist mental trickery when you know it's happening.
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That's about what i thought, yeah.
Redshirt Army said:
Remember when the Ice Witch was like "would you mind finding a representative of Ranald to tell him I've got a message", and Mathilde just looked up and He was already there listening in?

Yeah.
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And now we're gonna go steal a mountain from Slaanesh. You know, most people are probably extremely lucky to get in even one case of divine theft. Two though? Heidi is going to be so jealous of us.
 
Ranald is with us, but as our hype man not our wingman. Which is likely to be very helpful in its own way during this expedition that is likely to have leadership disputes.
 
I think I remember Boney saying somewhere that Daemons are Divine magical energy rather than, er, Winds alone. Or maybe it was that they fell under Divine magic rather than Wind magic... Either way, it explains why Avatar kicks in -- because we are good at noticing divine activity.

... Man. The potential upgrades from this is going to be interesting. Waystone experience is potentially on the list. Daemon-fighting experience. Familiarity with the far north and the way the winds of magic act there. Familiarity with navigating various peoples and interests -- wizards, various kinds and cultures of Dwarfs, Dragon-riding mercenaries who're also nobility-in-exile, ice crones, knightly orders... even Kurgans too.
BoneyM said:
It'd be pretty redundant. You'd probably have to commit some pretty major blasphemy just to stop him from showing up to an attempt to steal a city from Chaos.
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... Oh boy.

In that case, if we succeed at this, we have got to say: "And for my next trick -- Karag Dum!" xD
 
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