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Also, dwarves believe that souls of the dwarves that died without rites are too stubborn to anything other that reincarnate, not that that's an established fact.
Theory that dwarves' souls are just generated at birth like, say, humans' at least partially is more likely for that.
 
That's a dark glimpse of the dwarfs. Being reborn is seen as a failure/ the future is so doomed that slayers actively work to avoid being reborn? The level of cynicism behind that is pretty heart breaking.

@Omegahugger

Suddenly I'm not convinced on reanimating dawi.
First, there's @BeepSmile's excellent post about why exactly the Dawi don't want to be reborn.

Second, this is actually in favour of reanimating dwarves, if only under the right circumstances.

Remember the ambush on the Okral? Remember all the Dawi left floating around skullfish( piranha) -infested waters? If Mathilde had been a practicing necromancer at the time, she could've reanimated those corpses and safely pulled them back to the shore, vastly increasing the number of Dawi who would've gotten their proper burial rites and avoided being reborn.
 
Remember the ambush on the Okral? Remember all the Dawi left floating around skullfish( piranha) -infested waters? If Mathilde had been a practicing necromancer at the time, she could've reanimated those corpses and safely pulled them back to the shore, vastly increasing the number of Dawi who would've gotten their proper burial rites and avoided being reborn.

It's one thing to try to animate zombies in the middle of piranha infested waters, quite another to somehow grasp the souls of hundreds of dead dwarfs. This looks less like an argument for 'using necromancy' and more like one of being Nagash come again. :V
 
The Dwarves consider the last 500 years or so to be them settling up their accounts as best they can before they die. There is no working for the future, just trying to die in a somewhat tidy fashion.
 
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The Dwarves consider the last 500 years or so to be them settling up their accounts as best they can before they die. There is working for the future, just trying to die in a somewhat tidy fashion.

Not 'the dwarfs', Thorgrim and company certainly, a significant opinion current within the Karaz Ankor, maybe even a majority one but the Karaz Ankor is not all dwarfs and even among them there are people who still have hope of recovering their lost glories. All those dwarfs of the Young Holds did not march with Belegar to 'settle accounts'.
 
Should we take the opportunity to study demon 'anatomy' while we have the brief window? They normally dissolve immediately on death, this may be a rare opportunity. (and another paper)

I'd also be interested to see whether what they're sublimating into resembles AV
 
it is better to exist in Gazu's realm after death than to return to a world that is inimical to your very existence, or at least your life.
I'm now wondering about the Realm that Gazul insulated from everything else (as we know, Stone is an excellent insulator for magic - ie. Warp). For thousands of years, Dwarfs have existed there - with all their knowledge they learned.

You think they've done nothing there? Dwarfs, inactive after dying? Hrrmph
 
I'm now wondering about the Realm that Gazul insulated from everything else (as we know, Stone is an excellent insulator for magic - ie. Warp). For thousands of years, Dwarfs have existed there - with all their knowledge they learned.

You think they've done nothing there? Dwarfs, inactive after dying? Hrrmph

By all accounts the only activity in the halls of the dead is stuffing their faces and making merry yeah. Until a conflicting account shows up that's all we've got.

Is it an even mixture of all 8, like AV turns into?

Boney did not say, but it's likely impossible to judge with all the turbulence
 
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One last, random thought before I go to sleep, but... even on the off-chance that we do, accidentally, lock Karak Vlag in the Aethyr with this stunt, is there anything keeping us from eventually coming back with the originally proposed multiple high-ranking experts and forcefully dragging it back another way? I'm not sure if it's been suggested that we might still be able to get it back that way, but when Mathilde said it before, it sounded like a completely seperate matter from the current effect going on. Or maybe I'm just too tired to see what makes it a done deal and permanent. It would just be nice to say that even if we do get a worse case scenario, it's still theoretically possible to get the hold back, just a lot harder. Reassurances and all that.
 
We likely wont be able to join the whole endeavor if it happens after this expeditipn, since we would suffer a -10 malus due to overexertion.

It would probably still happen though, just not with us and that -10 hanging over our actions.
 
Only for Gods Mathilde knows enough about, which would currently be Ranald, Morr, and Gork and Mork. And it wouldn't apply to 'Priests', which is a job description rather than a metaphysical identifier, only to those that have channelled Godly power.
It's transferrable because they both use the same medium.
Could a spell like this be used to find out things like whether Morr and Morai-Heg are definitely more intimately connected than just sharing themes and portfolios?
 
... Oh. My. God. Crap. Crap. CRAP. I feel like kind of an absolute idiot for not thinking of this before, but. I don't know if anyone has suggested this before, but... ... Here's something that we actually have done before. And, a brief search of "Ranald" under poster:BoneyM to see if anyone has asked this of him...

... @BoneyM can we tap into the energy coming from a waystone north of Vlag, and channel it to Ranald?

I'm not sure of the best wording for this, and am thinking of going to sleep soon anyway, so here's a pre-emptive vote for it if you approve it.

[X] Ranald the Magician, and the Karak Waystone Caper
- Try doing something similar to what you did in Karag Yar; tap into the power coming from the waystones north of Karag Vlag... and channel it towards your God, Ranald. Maybe the removed energy will bring the Karak back, the same way as diverting or clogging it would?
- Alternatively as a secondary thing; perhaps with Ranald getting all this extra energy, he can pull a Magician's sleight of hand, and make this Karak re-appear?

As a potential secondary point: can Mathilde channel the energy to Ranald, and ask him to try to make the Karak appear into the waste? i.e. Both sending him the power, and asking him to perform a miracle with that power? Ranald, my man, my main god, my Magician... perform your best reverse-Vanishing Man act, and make this Karak reappear!

Oh my god. Guys. Guys.

What if this works? What if we could to this? What if we could get another shot at empowering Ranald?

Furthermore... This isn't exactly like the ritual-in-progress we interrupted last time. Because we aren't going directly into the heart of the Karak and trying to steal the energy. No. We are just interrupting a step north of the Karak, and trying to tap into energies being relayed by the Waystones.

We're not hijacking an enemy ritual.

We aren't messing with and clogging up a waystone.

We are, admittedly, channeling a lot more energy than a wizard normally would be comfortable with... But. We've done it before. So we have something like a proof of concept that it works.

Furthermore, because this isn't a clog, but is sending the energy to a friendly divinity... that means that no bad side-effects can form, like dhar accumulation from the waystone clogging, over time.

Hooooly crap.

I want to do this. Not only does this avoid clogging a waystone.

But it is really clever and cool. It builds on something we did before. It repeats or echoes an epic deed we did before. And, it has another chance at empowering Ranald again...

... Furthermore. Imagine this.

Imagine this as Ranald the Magician -- pulling a Vanishing and Reappearing act, on a Karak. "Do you see this Karak? I'm going to make it... reappear."

Alternatively, he can think of it as stealing a Karak from Slaanesh. If he wants to think of it this way. Though, that's only in the secondary/part two of this; the first part is just "Steal the energy." The second part is "And if that don't work... uhhh... maybe try using the stolen energy to steal the Karak back from Slaanesh?"

Hooooly moly.

I so want to do this.

Yes, there's risk to Mathilde from this... but.

This is literally an epic deed of magic and sleight of hand and trickery. This, if anything, could legitimately get us "Ranald the Magician" again. And not just the mundane magician who does magic tricks; but the magic-using magician, who uses magic.

C'mon, posters. Who doesn't want to try to pit Learning and Piety against an evil force of darkness?

Also: we have the Protector Coin right now. Maybe Ranald can do something with that. That is, if this works out, maybe the credit for it will go to both Mathilde and Ranald.

Meaning that Ranald could get even more divine power from this. Because the Dwarfs will believe that Mathilde, and Ranald, truly acted selflessly to save them all. (Ranald the Dwarf-friend aspect when? :p)
 
... Oh. My. God. Crap. Crap. CRAP. I feel like kind of an absolute idiot for not thinking of this before, but. I don't know if anyone has suggested this before, but... ... Here's something that we actually have done before. And, a brief search of "Ranald" under poster:BoneyM to see if anyone has asked this of him...

... @BoneyM can we tap into the energy coming from a waystone north of Vlag, and channel it to Ranald?

I'm not sure of the best wording for this, and am thinking of going to sleep soon anyway, so here's a pre-emptive vote for it if you approve it.

[X] Ranald the Magician, and the Karak Waystone Caper
- Try doing something similar to what you did in Karag Yar; tap into the power coming from the waystones north of Karag Vlag... and channel it towards your God, Ranald. Maybe the removed energy will bring the Karak back, the same way as diverting or clogging it would?
- Alternatively as a secondary thing; perhaps with Ranald getting all this extra energy, he can pull a Magician's sleight of hand, and make this Karak re-appear?

As a potential secondary point: can Mathilde channel the energy to Ranald, and ask him to try to make the Karak appear into the waste? i.e. Both sending him the power, and asking him to perform a miracle with that power? Ranald, my man, my main god, my Magician... perform your best reverse-Vanishing Man act, and make this Karak reappear!

Oh my god. Guys. Guys.

What if this works? What if we could to this? What if we could get another shot at empowering Ranald?

Furthermore... This isn't exactly like the ritual-in-progress we interrupted last time. Because we aren't going directly into the heart of the Karak and trying to steal the energy. No. We are just interrupting a step north of the Karak, and trying to tap into energies being relayed by the Waystones.

We're not hijacking an enemy ritual.

We aren't messing with and clogging up a waystone.

We are, admittedly, channeling a lot more energy than a wizard normally would be comfortable with... But. We've done it before. So we have something like a proof of concept that it works.

Furthermore, because this isn't a clog, but is sending the energy to a friendly divinity... that means that no bad side-effects can form, like dhar accumulation from the waystone clogging, over time.

Hooooly crap.

I want to do this. Not only does this avoid clogging a waystone.

But it is really clever and cool. It builds on something we did before. It repeats or echoes an epic deed we did before. And, it has another chance at empowering Ranald again...

... Furthermore. Imagine this.

Imagine this as Ranald the Magician -- pulling a Vanishing and Reappearing act, on a Karak. "Do you see this Karak? I'm going to make it... reappear."

Alternatively, he can think of it as stealing a Karak from Slaanesh. If he wants to think of it this way. Though, that's only in the secondary/part two of this; the first part is just "Steal the energy." The second part is "And if that don't work... uhhh... maybe try using the stolen energy to steal the Karak back from Slaanesh?"

Hooooly moly.

I so want to do this.

Yes, there's risk to Mathilde from this... but.

This is literally an epic deed of magic and sleight of hand and trickery. This, if anything, could legitimately get us "Ranald the Magician" again. And not just the mundane magician who does magic tricks; but the magic-using magician, who uses magic.

C'mon, posters. Who doesn't want to try to pit Learning and Piety against an evil force of darkness?

Also: we have the Protector Coin right now. Maybe Ranald can do something with that. That is, if this works out, maybe the credit for it will go to both Mathilde and Ranald.

Meaning that Ranald could get even more divine power from this. Because the Dwarfs will believe that Mathilde, and Ranald, truly acted selflessly to save them all. (Ranald the Dwarf-friend aspect when? :p)
All of my nope. Its reckless, and, more importantly, narratively plot-holey: were it that easy to re-direct waystone power to a god, why ins't it done all the time? Your proposal doesn't use any of the unique cicrumstances here and would work on any waystone. Every waystone.

Therefore, it being possible shatters my suspencion of disbelief.

Clog is a common natural phenomena which happens all the time, and using it here is just working with the setting. Your proposal is just a literal deus ex machina.
 
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... @BoneyM can we tap into the energy coming from a waystone north of Vlag, and channel it to Ranald?
I had this thought earlier, and I don't know why I didn't mention it, but... fuck it, I'm willing to try. If we're allowed. The problem, I think, is that we don't actually know how to channel Waystones ourselves.
All of my nope. Its reckless, and, more importantly, narratively plot-holey: were it that easy to re-direct waystone power to a god, why ins't it done all the time? Your proposal doesn't use any of the unique cicrumstances here and would work on any waystone. Every waystone.

Therefore, it being possible shatters my suspencion of disbelief.

Clog is a common natural phenomena which happens all the time, and using it here is just working with the setting. Your proposal is just a literal deus ex machina.
Maybe because few enough people even know Waystones can be channeled like that, let alone how? And most are Jades, as I recall, who mostly worship Ghyran anyways and not other gods, or are Chaos worshippers who don't really need it? Maybe necromancer a, but why would they throw power at a god rather than keep it themselves?
 
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