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Oh what's durthu going to do? Stumble drunkenly after me? All I'd have to do is walk a briskly away.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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You know, having the ability to shape you entire battlefield before the enemy even gets to show up is probably cheating. Actually, is there a reason they wouldn't just pop back before we even finished setting things up? Given it only seemed to take a few seconds to transfer...
Uh... Huh. Hadn't thought about things this way before, but, um...
... How sure are we that this isn't another "Stone is an excellent insulator of magic" situation?
Maybe we should check out all the areas, the watchtowers and the mines and roads and stuff, just in case anyway. And also check out if, upon thinking of the very idea, we get any thoughts or conclusions fed to us.
My big concern with blocking up the entrance is that the demons would attack the work crew once they realized what was happening. If Mathilde/Borek thinks that's either not a risk or a mitigatable risk, then I would be strongly in favor of blocking up the entrance then finding the waystone, fortifying around that, and turning it off.
That gives us extra time the demons have to spend digging through whatever avalanche the Dawi manage to cause to bury the entrance before they can come fight, drawing out the timer in our favor. If it's doable, it's genius.
I strongly support blocking the entrance if it's feasible.
That gives us extra time the demons have to spend digging through whatever avalanche the Dawi manage to cause to bury the entrance before they can come fight, drawing out the timer in our favor. If it's doable, it's genius.
I strongly support blocking the entrance if it's feasible.
Defense-wise, I am not sure if camping the gate (or only camping the gate) is the best choice.
A) Such an approach necessarily hypothesizes that daemons have to physically exit through the gate of the Karak to "make mischief".
I am not sure that is true.
Especially not when/if the sorcerer behind the ritual realizes what is happening.
He could easily return the Karak on his own terms, and outflank the ambush.
Also, daemons might be able to teleport or do all kinds of magical mobility shenanigans (phasing through walls e.g.)
B) It squanders one of the advantages that the Expedition has over the daemons.
Namely, that daemons are on a time limit in material realm.
Depending on where the Waystone-to-be-clogged is located, daemons will have to spend a certain time searching for it and traveling to it.
Every minute they waste on not being in combat is a minute gained.
What I would suggest is two-fold (three-fold?) approach.
Asarnil + Deathfang guard the gate. They have the mobility and the prowess.
White Wolves + Taal's Fury harry the approach/the open space. A+D do this as well when the cordon is breached.
Dwarfs do what they do best. They fortify the Waystone.
Depending on Mathilde's duties regarding Waystones (how long does the clogging take, does she need to channel the effect) she could plausibly join Asarnil or do harrowing of her own.
A) Such an approach necessarily hypothesizes that daemons have to physically exit through the gate of the Karak to "make mischief".
I am not sure that is true.
Especially not when/if the sorcerer behind the ritual realizes what is happening.
He could easily return the Karak on his own terms, and outflank the ambush.
Also, daemons might be able to teleport or do all kinds of magical mobility shenanigans (phasing through walls e.g.)
B) It squanders one of the advantages that the Expedition has over the daemons.
Namely, that daemons are on a time limit in material realm.
Depending on where the Waystone-to-be-clogged is located, daemons will have to spend a certain time searching for it and traveling to it.
Every minute they waste on not being in combat is a minute gained.
What I would suggest is two-fold (three-fold?) approach.
Asarnil + Deathfang guard the gate. They have the mobility and the prowess.
White Wolves + Taal's Fury harry the approach/the open space. A+D do this as well when the cordon is breached.
Dwarfs do what they do best. They fortify the Waystone.
Depending on Mathilde's duties regarding Waystones (how long does the clogging take, does she need to channel the effect) she could plausibly join Asarnil or do harrowing of her own.
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notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
I'd caution people about overly trusting fortifications. If the Karak comes back and a Daemon Prince, or a Keeper of Secrets, or some other horror of the warp comes out, quickly, metal and stone can easily fail.
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- Canada
The Dwarf-made road to the currently-vanished Karak Vlag is still there. It came back with the watchtowers, but didn't return to the Warp with the rest of the Karak.
If Mathilde says her idea could take a few days to work, the Dwarves might decide to drive a landship up and park it in front of Vlag's entrance. Give the daemons a couple cannon broadsides if they show their faces again.
I would suggest we do all of this and also cause a small avalanche to bury the gate, if doable. It's only to the expedition's benefit to draw out the time the demons have to spend searching by first making them dig out.
you know, now that I think about it, isn't death fangs flame hot enough to melt stone? if we can just stack a but load of shattered stone together maybe if we can get death fang to blow some fire on it for a hour or two and just fuse it all together to block the entrance.
I mean sure maybe the demons will be strong enough to break down the barrier eventually but that could maybe take hours of wasted effort where they grow weaker the longer they stay in the material realm before they disappear. Like yes some daemons are insanely strong but if were trusting that daemons can casually destroy a stone baricade then i question whether we'll be able to take these demons down.
A few hours baricade sounds good if we can do so. The more daemons waste their time trapped in the karak in the physical world the better as more likely they'll dissapear before they reach us.
I mean sure maybe the demons will be strong enough to break down the barrier eventually but that could maybe take hours of wasted effort where they grow weaker the longer they stay in the material realm before they disappear. Like yes some daemons are insanely strong but if were trusting that daemons can casually destroy a stone baricade then i question whether we'll be able to take these demons down.
A few hours baricade sounds good if we can do so. The more daemons waste their time trapped in the karak in the physical world the better as more likely they'll dissapear before they reach us.
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- some computer lab
honestly, if they want to do more of our job for us, I'm not complaining.
why would Slaaneshi demons put a cognitohazardous effect on something they planned on keeping in the Realm of Chaos? it they were Tzeentchites, then maybe, but Slaanesh isn't known for needlessly overcomplicated plots.
that's why we brought Asarnil.
The worst case in this scenario is the sorcerer's yanking them in the realms of chaos along with the towers and the roads over those two days.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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That doesn't feel possible outside a storm of chaos.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
If this was an expedition to Vlag I could see them doing that, but it's not. More likely they'd dismantle the cannons in one of the landships so they can set them up covering the entrance. No use risking the landships if they don't have to. The expedition can afford to lose cannons, but not landships.
We've just seen them do it to a whole Karak right now.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
When it had only been out for less than 3 minutes and even then they couldn't take the whole thing.
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- some computer lab
we've seen them toggle an active effect on and off again, and they dropped some of it in the process. That is much different from initiating an active effect to pull a place into the Realm of Chaos, much less while maintaining the previous effect.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
You, optimistically, have M4. Durthu on the other hand has M5. So do all the other treekin and treemen.
Wanna bet the whole expedition that the next blink won't take everyone in front of gates too?
Let's tangle with a powerful sorcerer in the place of their power after we cut off the power cord, not before.
The plan that is proposed is to spend a few days in the area of active effect building fortifications before cutting out its power. Basically having the whole expedition in the place that was in the realms of chaos five minutes ago and a few steps away from the area that was yanked there just now.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Good point. If they realize what our plan is then they are likely to cannibalize their current effect well they still can to do something nasty to us. Spending extra time fortifying isn't worth giving them extra time to do that.
Or maybe they need some time to recharge the yanking spell properly and were forced to fire it prematurely because of the giant dragon in the face.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Mathilde is going to pretend that she didn't just come up with this idea and that when she said she couldn't do anything it was for the watching demon observers.
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- some computer lab
if they have had a general purpose yank things into the Realm of Chaos spell, that they could use every few days, for the past 200 years why is most of kislev not there right now?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Lore question: Does chaos have to deal with language barriers or do all demons get a gift of tongues ability? Wondering if they just might not be able to understand even if they can eves drop.
I don't think they have that, but the plan to fortify the place where gates used to be has us standing for days in the place that was yanked already not long ago and in spitting distance of the place that is in realms of chaos right now which I'd say increases the risk just a tad.