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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Pyrelight said:
Just for reference, regarding the rifled dwarfcannon debate:

Whether this is referring to conical shells, I don't know. But it could be.
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What I've seen suggests conical shells for the artillery, but the only source I could find that talks about it (Old World Armory) said that Thunderers are still using smoothbores.

In fairness, I'm pretty sure they've had cannons for millennia longer than they've had handguns?

(Old World Armory actually says the first handgun was invented by humans, but I've got no idea if Boney is using that one)
 
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I mean, unless the writers are using terminology wrong, the existance of the Hochland Long RIFLE in the game points to the empire have rifling on some level.
 
finemw1 said:
I mean, unless the writers are using terminology wrong, the existance of the Hochland Long RIFLE in the game points to the empire have rifling on some level.
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Nope, that was my bad- what they said was that all Old World blackpowder weapons are muzzleloaders.

Sorry about that, was going off of memory for that one.

Edit: Actually, checking Dwarfs 8th edition says the opposite, that all Thunderers are using rifled guns. Mixed it up badly, sorry again.
 
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Page 43 (ch 4: Gunpowder & Weapons of War) implies it, but doesn't outright say it.

"The Dwarfs introduced gunpowder... with their devastating cannon... At first, these weapons were simple cannon, but soon smaller varieties were developed... As Nuln engineers refined the process, they devised handheld firearms."

"The earliest firearms in the old world were hand gonnes." [note: that sounds like an empire name, not a dwarf name]

[On matchlocks] "Shortly after the development of the hand gonne... engineers in Nuln developed a firing mechanism to allow the user to wield the weapon in two hands..."

[On wheelocks and flintlocks] "... the Empire's engineers developed a new mechanism for firing... Developed simultaneously by Araby was the flintlock"
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So Dwarfs made cannons, Empire made matchlocks and wheelocks, and Araby made flintlocks, but the hand gonne, the transitional state between cannon and firearm, is only implied to be an empire invention. Given the texts pro-empire bias, this could be taken a number of ways.
 
Could easily mean the empire devised a way to build a handheld gun, independently from dwarves having already done so.
Or just straight up stealing a design.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
So Dwarfs made cannons, Empire made matchlocks and wheelocks, and Araby made flintlocks, but the hand gonne, the transitional state between cannon and firearm, is only implied to be an empire invention. Given the texts pro-empire bias, this could be taken a number of ways.
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Yeah, it can definitely be read as giving credit to humans, but it's ambiguous even if you assume that 'Old World' includes the Karaz Ankor, which by some definitions it doesn't.
 
I could easily see empire being responsible for guns being adopted widescale.
With dwarves first having handguns as something specific highly skilled engineers or smiths might have as a personal weapon, but most going for crossbows as ranged option.
But empire just rushing through the gun techtree high enough (with most definitely not "found" examples of dwarven guns), and effective enough to be hard to ignore, and Karaz Ankor then starting to adopt their own much superrior guns at wider scale.
How long has the empire had guns? Century? Two?
 
BoneyM said:
Yeah, it can definitely be read as giving credit to humans, but it's ambiguous even if you assume that 'Old World' includes the Karaz Ankor, which by some definitions it doesn't.
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I can see the empire getting to the idea of 'handgun' first, just because of how slow dwarfs are to try new stuff and humans being more willing to risk a blow up.

it's just that dwarfs made, good, handguns first.

instead of a firing mechanism hammered onto a stick.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I can see the empire getting to the idea of 'handgun' first, just because of how slow dwarfs are to try new stuff and humans wing more willing to risk a blow up.

it's just that dwarfs made, good, handguns first.

instead of a firing mechanism hammered onto a stick.
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Dwarves invented gunpowder in -420. Dwarves are slow to innovate, but not 'nobody ever tried scaling down a cannon in 2400 years' slow.
 
From checking the wiki, handguns are mentioned being used by the dwarfs when Vala-Azril-Ungol fell. So in short it's everyone for themselves for where and when handguns become a thing.
 
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