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Qrech has done what few Skaven has ever come close to: Immorality in works and words. Skaven has short memories and short lives to go with that, made worst by their backstabbing way of life.

Qrech has proved that is not the only way for the Skaven and can live on and do greater work for all.
 
Because it's not Kurnous and never was him, that was just what Cython thought at the time from the divinities iconography. Mathilde thought the same, from the Tylosian coins she inspected. Instead, it was a new god added to the Tylosian Pantheon, and shortly after he was introduced Tylos was destroyed and the survivors scattered to the winds. That's the Horned Rat, one hundred percent.

And now it makes sense. So, be careful when adopting new gods. Ulric is a known quality, at least.
 
Who's up for an expedition to Skavenblight to have a look at the original Temple of the Horned Rat? Wonder if we could successfully disguise ourselves as a Grey Prophet and get a Lord of Decay to sponsor our research into the origins of the Horned Rat. After all, if one knows how the Great One was created, might it not be possible to become one such as him oneself?
I'm fairly sure if we got into Skavenblight, our belt would cause the hundreds of metric tons of Warpstone in there to explode. Not a bad outcome by any means, but one that would rather hinder any attempt at archeological studies.

EDIT: And we couldn't exactly take the belt off either, because that amount of Warpstone in close proximity would melt us.
 
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Magister Matriarch Maria Stossel, head of the Celestial College.

"Such a pleasure to finally meet you, my dear," she says, her voice strangely in rhythm with the unseen music. "We've found that Hall of yours to be quite helpful. A shame that the design requires a roof, but no Celestial can guarantee the stars, so it's something they must get used to."

"An honour, Magister Matriarch," you reply, trying to spool your brain back up into working order.

"I do so hope you can help out those fellows of the Expedition. It could all end so very badly."

"It could, the..." You pause. "Wait, is this in general or a foresight thing?"

"And do take good care of that Gunnery School you've got down there. It could be very needed in the years to come."
Any place that needs gunnery school will definitely need gunpowder no?

[X] Plan to set up EIC gunpowder production in Karak Eight Peaks
 
Mathilde actually made the same mistake as Cython not long ago.

So, was there a name, or any other inscription on the Tylosian coins which depicted the horned Divinity? I don't think they already called that god the Horned Rat back then, and usually coins like these have descriptive inscritions...

Holy shit, if we have the true name of the Horned Rat written on these coins I apologize for ever thinking it was a waste of an action to save and catalogue them.
 
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until about a century before the end of Tylos.
So, about when the tower started construction...

The Doom of Kavzar was less "Mysterious stranger walks into town and offers aid to the tower project" and more "Hey guys, the Horned One is really into this tower project, I think his cult is becoming more influential"

I suppose the Doom of Kavzar as a story was the subject of some cultural editing to take out the part where they'd been worshipping the being that would become the Great Horned Rat for centuries?
 
The Doom of Kavzar was less "Mysterious stranger walks into town and offers aid to the tower project" and more "Hey guys, the Horned One is really into this tower project, I think his cult is becoming more influential"

Assuming there ever was a tower project. It might well be a metaphor for the religious life of the city being overtaken by worship of the Horned One, given that the reason the tower was built was to thank the gods for the good times the city had experienced.
 
So, was there a name, or any other inscription on the Tylosian coins which depicted the horned Divinity? I don't think they already called that god the Horned Rat back then, and usually coins like these have descriptive inscritions...

Holy shit, if we have the true name of the Horned Rat written on these coins I apologize for ever thinking it was a waste to save and catalogue them.

Letters are rare on these coins, probably because they used hammered coinage rather than cast. The only ones associated with this God are ZL.

So, about when the tower started construction...

The Doom of Kavzar was less "Mysterious stranger walks into town and offers aid to the tower project" and more "Hey guys, the Horned One is really into this tower project, I think his cult is becoming more influential"

I suppose the Doom of Kavzar as a story was the subject of some cultural editing to take out the part where they'd been worshipping the being that would become the Great Horned Rat for centuries?

Most likely. The story already has variables depending on whether you're talking to a Tilean or Estalian, so it's clear it's not immune to being altered for reasons of cultural pride.
 
Assuming there ever was a tower project. It might well be a metaphor for the religious life of the city being overtaken by worship of the Horned One, given that the reason the tower was built was to thank the gods for the good times the city had experienced.
A tower appears on the coinage for the last century or so. The coins had previously featured other civic projects.
 
"Elven Gods of natural destruction fathered by Ellinill, who then grew mistrustful and devoured most of them. Some of them have grown beyond their origins - Mathlann became God of the Sea, Drakira the Goddess of Vengeance, Addaioth has been trying to become a God of Weapons. Ulric may have been a God of blizzards or similar that grew beyond His origins."
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Hm.

This sort of... Sounds like an allegory for a population explosion of Gods with the coming of the Aethyr? That is, it's a myth, but it also could map onto how in Warhammer's history you had gods and cults rising and falling and spreading and changing and so on too.
But as for the Winds, to worship them as Gods is is incorrect, but why is it incorrect?"
"is is" should just be "is"
"Why do you theorize that there must be so much crossover between the different pantheons?"

It tilts its head. "Why would there not be? Do two dragons share a hunting ground? Two kings a kingdom?"
I didn't get this at all at first. "Huh? Two kings don't share a kingdom, that's the point, what does this mean?" But then it came to be about competition. Just... This doesn't quite make sense to me. This feels like an explanation for why they would be crossover between gods. But not an explanation for why there would be crossover between racial pantheons.

Unless it means to say that... "Because somebody already staked their claim on this land, nobody else can claim it. Therefore, it has to be the same god that'll cover that territory in another race's pantheon." As if another race can't, say, split that territory between 3 gods of their own.

Still weird though. You'd expect the latter to happen; different cultures and races bundling things together a bit differently even if/when convergent evolution happens. Rather than somehow getting the same convergent evolution result each time. But I guess it's a matter of a fantastical universe; that in a world with gods and magic, you have a bit of supernatural ontological cultural inertia.

And even then, you can still have different and new gods crop up, too. Like Sigmar for example. I wish Mathilde wasn't anti-Sigmarite, so that she could bring it up to Cython and talk all about it. It could be a fascinating conversation. Sigmar was a man, and he became a god. And he is a major god of a culture. A major, major god. And he has a clear and present origin, due to being historical.
(... I wonder. He walked the Road of Skulls to the north, like Grimnir did. I wonder if that had anything to do with it. That is... The Dwarf Ancestor Gods were around and did stuff, and Grimnir disappeared into the north. Thus it may be a divinity-related thing. And then Sigmar was a huge Dwarf Friend, and did a similar thing to the Ancestor Gods what with how he left and where he left. So. I wonder if there's some kind of supernatural or religious shared element here. Hmmm. Hmmmm.)

Though I also gotta say, I'm not sure about the "No reason to worship the Winds" thing. Like... if the Winds are constant and reliable, then, why wouldn't that be a good reason to worship them? Or is it because, the Winds being what they are, they don't get anything from worship the way Gods do and thus it is pointless to do so? It's basically like a reason to not be religious at all, then. 'Gods aren't worth your worship because they aren't reliable.' 'This isn't worth your worship either, because while it's reliable, it's not a god.' :V
 
Fuck, we're fucking disappointing. I mean the last chapter has been up for 1 hour and 18 minutes. I'm genuinely ashamed of my self, of all of us in the thread, and frankly, our species.

@BoneyM What's Qrech's academic title!?!?!
 
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