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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
While that is true at least in quest canon I would say the Winds metaphor is inherently better at describing what they do at least in one regard. Magic comes howling out of the Polar Gates and does not touch the ground due to velocity only later settling around it's associated aspects of reality. That sure sounds like winds or currents not humors or paradigms.

I would imagine bnow since the only soul lore we have is from the Liber Mortis and involves using Dhar.
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Well, the Winds metaphor is better in that regard, yes, but other metaphors may be better in other ones situations we may find ourselves in.

On souls, yet another reason to get Gazul Lore. I don't think having Mathilde's perspective on the soul being mainly based on Necromancy is the best idea.

On that note, I wonder if we can get Collegiate books on souls for our library. Some of the codicies of the Magistorum Chaotica apparently explore the Collegiate view of the (in their view) tripartite mortal soul.
 
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BurnNote said:
I think boundary smudging is generally prohibited as a justification under the Burrito Doctrine.
But in the words of the immortal OmegaHugger: Why not use Dhar?
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Boundary smudging is literally one of those things Ulgu does tho.

Smudging boundaries is perfectly fine as long you don't try and use it on abstract concepts or shit like that.

Burning shadows does it between the skin of the target and air for fucks sake.

So Yes I want to see if you can smudge the boundaries between two souls and see what happens if you actually do it.

Particularly if it results in both dissolving into orange tang.
 
ninjafish said:
When he stopped being hampered by pathetic things like ethics and performed SCIENCE! on the souls of their fellow man.

Death is but a barrier and science?

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I do not much like thic comic. Science tends to be on the same side as ethics and human decency. The horrific scientific experiments conducted by the Nazis and the CIA tended to be bad science (as in, bad in quality, not bad in morality, although they were also bad in morality). Granted, there probably are exceptions, but I am on team Ulgu/Quaysh because the winds/Quaysh are true science, while Dhar is lies.
 
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storryeater said:
I do not much like thic comic. Science tends to be on the same side as ethics and human decency. The horrific scientific experiments conducted by the Nazis and the CIA tended to be bad science. Granted, there probably are exceptions, but I am on team Ulgu/Quaysh because the winds/Quaysh are true science, while Dhar is lies.
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No it isn't.

Science is neutral

You can perform perfectly good science while being completely devoid of ethics, empathy or basic human decency. (You shouldn't tho... not in real life at least.)
 
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ninjafish said:
No it isn't.

Science is neutral

You can perform perfectly good science while being completely devoid of ethics, empathy or basic human decency.
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Empirical evidence shows that doing so is actually inneficient. You can do it while being stark raving mad like Tesla, but people devoid of any empathy and ethics tend to underperform, contrary to what stories imply.
 
storryeater said:
Empirical evidence shows that doing so is actually inneficient. You can do it while being stark raving mad like Tesla, but people devoid of any empathy and ethics tend to underperform, contrary to what stories imply.
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Do you have a citation for said empirical evidence?

Because I'm actually interested now.

Does the Moral arc of the universe actually lean towards good after all?

I'm not sure about that.

But honestly nothing about the scientific method requires empathy or ethics.

People who have those things just tend to be actually focused on getting useful data rather than being sadistic shits.

You gotta keep it clinical no matter what.

(Note I would never advocate removing Scientific ethics IRL, they are incredibly vital in making sure awful shit doesn't happen.)
 
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DragonParadox said:
The context was using Ulgu to blur the lines between souls, the 'cannot' here relates to the lack of soul lore that is Ulgu applicable.
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Just blur the boundary between "That guy" and "This other guy" the soul is part of them is it not?

And then stop doing so at various points before they finish fusing and turn into undifferentiated goo.

Then study and record the results.

Obviously we would need a control group.

I would recommend using greenskins spawned from the same patch of fungus.
 
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DragonParadox said:
The context was using Ulgu to blur the lines between souls, the 'cannot' here relates to the lack of soul lore that is Ulgu applicable.
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OOC we have reason to believe that a person's shadow is an integral part of their self according to Nehekharan spiritual understanding, and IC we know that Gazul's Lore has something to say about the connection between a person's shadow and their soul.
 
ninjafish said:
Just blur the boundary between "That guy" and "This other guy" the soul is part of them is it not?

And then stop doing so at various points before they finish fusing and turn into undifferentiated goo.
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That is Burning Shadows and you are just killing both of them. The trick in combining souls (or anything else) non-destructively would be not just to combine things but mentain some kind of desirable equilibrium and that is out of Ulgu's wheelhouse.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is Burning Shadows and you are just killing both of them. The trick in combining souls (or anything else) non-destructively would be not just to combine things but mentain some kind of desirable equilibrium and that is out of Ulgu's wheelhouse.
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I'm not sure it's obviously out of Ulgu's conceptual space, given that Mathilde can use Ulgu to attach an apparition to her soul, which can be construed as blurring the boundaries between them, making them overlap.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is Burning Shadows and you are just killing both of them. The trick in combining souls (or anything else) non-destructively would be not just to combine things but mentain some kind of desirable equilibrium and that is out of Ulgu's wheelhouse.
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Man why couldn't we have taken shyish instead.

Ulgu is so friggin limited.

Can't even forcibly fuse two souls together against their will even though its entire thing is fuzzying up boundaries and liminal spaces.

Weak.
 
Rafin said:
But they're not "blanks" or anything like that. Is there any point in her comparing Human crowds to Halfling crowds on a superficial (i.e. doing it in passing and not as an AP action) level?
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No. Way too many variables that could be at play, trying to ascribe whatever results you get entirely to metaphysics is practically guaranteed to lead you astray.

ninjafish said:
@BoneyM can we experiment with fusing souls together via boundary smudging?
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If you're direly in need of a pointless and unjustifiable cruelty to engage in.

ninjafish said:
So Yes I want to see if you can smudge the boundaries between two souls and see what happens if you actually do it.
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They go insane and die.

ninjafish said:
Man why couldn't we have taken shyish instead.

Ulgu is so friggin limited.

Can't even forcibly fuse two souls together against their will even though its entire thing is fuzzying up boundaries and liminal spaces.

Weak.
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I've already spoken to you several times about these nihilistic rants: here, here, and here. If you can't stop yourself from engaging in them, a threadban can.
 
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Alratan said:
I'm not sure it's obviously out of Ulgu's conceptual space, given that Mathilde can use Ulgu to attach an apparition to her soul, which can be construed as blurring the boundaries between them, making them overlap.
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I don't think binding apparitions involves literally grafting said aethyric denizen directly to the wizard's soul. There are chains or tethers of magic involved.
 
DragonParadox said:
I don't think binding apparitions involves literally grafting said aethyric denizen directly to the wizard's soul. There are chains or tethers of magic involved.
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Perhaps, but my interpretation of what BoneyM has said so far is that it involves directly grafting the apparition onto their soul.

Now, powerful Collegiate Magisters souls have been partially transmuted into their Winds, and BoneyM did say that my proposal to use the part of Mathilde's soul that attracts mist as the attachment point for an apparition is one way it potentially could be done, but that's probably not the only way, given Elves can clearly bind apparitions to their souls.
 
DragonParadox said:
I don't think binding apparitions involves literally grafting said aethyric denizen directly to the wizard's soul. There are chains or tethers of magic involved.
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Yeah, but ulgu doesn't do chains or tethers.

It does liminal space, thresholds, and boundaries.

Except not really because apparently all the wind of subtlety and ambiguity can do is completely remove those things with all the subtlety and finesse of a bomb going off.
 
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