She's picking it up.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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She's picking it up.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Those sound like books they'd not be happy with just any Umgi reading. Morgrims Original Writings and the like...
Not an issue for us, but probably for Adela, Johann etc.
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- Location
- Australia
If they were unhappy about umgi reading those books, they just flat out wouldn't give them to us. Same as the rune magic books.
- Location
- Aotearoa
Ah, but we're not really an Umgi, remember. We're a Mathilde, and a Loremaster to boot.
they... might be restricted, but Adela and Johnna are nearly dwarf friends in their own right, so it should be ok.
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- Australia
Is Extensive Dwarven Rune Magic possible like how Extensive Dwarven Engineering is? I'd imagine it'd be writings about rune magic by non-runesmiths like how Extensive Engineering is writing about engineering by non-engineers.
Yes, that sounds reasonable.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Been asked and answered.
I guess Engineering follows similar guidelines.
While that would apply to the mechanics of how Runes work, it does seem reasonable that there could be books along the lines of encyclopedias of famous Rune items available for public consumption that could provide some insight.
I remember some grumbling about Thorek having as many apprentices as hairs in his beard. It didn't come across as complementary.
That's putting the cart before the horse. I'm in favor of the project as well, but I think it's a bit early before we make the attempt, you know? Need to get a few things done first and all that.
Nitpick; I doubt we can get a gyro by spending college favor.
[jk] Have Thorek take a look at steam tanks
I'm remembering the siege of Castle Drakenhof where her preferred dispelling technique was "there's someone casting in that tower, third window from the left. Shoot them". Mathilde is not afraid of engineering solutions, and in fact one of the potential take-aways from that campaign could have been 'magic is unreliable, use it only when you have to'.
As for combining magic and engineering, while she's not quite as adept as Johann or Adela, she's not afraid to take a mix of both as seen with her magister exams. I imagine she has grown to appreciate dwarf engineering and has learned that magecraft and dwarfcraft can complement each other (the Eye of Gazul, for instance, or the zhuf solution for the caldera) and while she might be immediately in love with the idea of mixing the two off the bat I would suggest that she's at least willing to give the idea some consideration before rejecting it out of hand.
Where'd you find the archival documents?
Jade magic to the rescue!
Earth Gate: You sink into the earth and reappear on another nearby patch of earth.
It's the amazing teleporting steam tank! Raki hate them!
Would Gotri allow us(/our underlings) access to small, proof-of-concept sized steam engines to perform experiments on? I'm not trying to backdoor our way into a technical uplift, I'm just thinking that skipping straight to an entire gyrocopter seems a bit wasteful right out the bat, and I would think they'd appreciate having a bit of a prototyping stage (even if it's not enough of one. Not a single grey hair on any of them and they're already looking at a second design, shoddy work).
Fake edit; I get that gyrocopters are made holistically, just something as simple as 'steam engine turns this wheel' level simple here.
Probably, but let's not mention that where Gotri and his guildmates can hear us. Part of being diplomatic, you know.
[jk] Send Johann to ballistics school with Oswald Oswaldson & Brigadier Snuggles.
"I'm blind."
"So? Get over it."
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- Aotearoa
Being a Brief Catalog of the Runed Weapons of the Kazaz Ankor, compiled by decree of High King Morgrim Ironbeard
Reciting the full lineages of the honourable Dawi who used them, the provenance of the metal the axe was forged from, the battles they fought in and the many Grudges avenged. Having appropriately set the stage for appreciation, listing the Rune name and standard heraldic depiction.
- Location
- Australia
@BoneyM, there's some actions we may want to do next turn or some time in the future but I'm unsure what books would apply. I'd like to ask your help here.
1. This is the first item. Rune Magic could help for obvious reasons, but I think Chemistry might as well, since the actual practice of chemistry has a lot to do with handling and storing volatile materials. Which would help?
2. I'm not sure what joining the war would entail. If it's just Mathilde acting on her own, then maybe The Empire or Geography for scouting and Necromancy to counter enemy magic. If it's Mathilde leading armies, then Tactics and Logistics would be better. How is Mathilde going to contribute and for scouting, would The Empire or Geography be better?
3. Is Trade the relevant subject here or something else? The Empire maybe?
4. Throwing the reputation of a grey wizard and the order of grey wizards sounds like Ulgu, but since it's a browbeating campaign The Empire may instead be the relevant books. Which one is it?
5. I have no idea if a die roll is even involved here and what subject would be relevant if there were.
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That won't tell you more than the same experiments with a kettle would. The part that needs testing is in the exact system of pistons and cylinders and valves that make up a gyrocopter engine.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Cool. Some non-rare books on both those subjects will be neat to have.
Without meaning to be a pest and apologetic in the event that I am anyway: it's getting on towards bedtime here. Will my faith be rewarded if I wait up?
1. Neither. You're off the edge of the map.
2. Library bonuses don't apply to minute-to-minute scouting and combat and whatnot. Books only help when you have the time to consult your library before making decisions.
3. Trade.
4. Same deal as 2.
5. No die roll.
Signs point to no.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Why would we take Dwarf Engineering to Antiquarian? The only things we have to Antiquarian is Linguistics, Dragons and Waystones.
We could take Antiquarian on any kind of enemy, geography, religion, trade, romance... why Engineering?
because it's engineering and this is SV.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Looking for books we can spend our 2 free Dwarf Favour on that might be useful in the coming turn. Most of the things we intend to do in the short term are very umgi-magical, and so not available from the Karaz Ankor. Rare books on Engineering were a potential avenue for expanding our library that would be useful to the Golds and Adela; no such luck, alas.
Please stop this. Redshirt's post where he made the case for engineering books had everything to do with character goals.
In a vaguely related sense - how much would repairs for a gyrocopter that suffered mysterious magic-related engine failure cost? After all, it's one thing to buy a finished product, and another thing to buy an Engineer or two to spend a pile of time repeatedly repairing a finished product, so repairs might not be included.
There was that time he gave Adela a couple of prototype steam-based weapons (IIRC a flamethrower and grenade launcher derivative). That's not quite the same thing, but I bet if we managed to rope him into the experimentation/tinkering (not guaranteed if it's not on company time like the weapons were) he'd be willing to let us/Adela play around with any prototypes as part of the testing.
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First time is free. After that, half the price each time.
If we build Rooms of Calamity for the Colleges they should be shared facilities rather than one for each College.
1. Unity: Many College facilities only work for a single wind but that's not the case for the Rooms of Calamity since they're magically neutral. We should take this opportunity to make a facility that's devoted to all the Colleges together to promote unity rather than encourage separation.
2. Efficiency: It's entirely possible that some Colleges will need the facilities more than others. For example the Bright College might have a high demand for Rooms of Calamity to train their battle-mages while the Grey College potentially has less need. By having the facilities be owned by all the Colleges they can be assigned as needed rather than risk having them be underused.
3. Price: It's simply cheaper to build the minimum amount of facilities required rather than build one for every individual College.
4. Expansion: By having the Rooms of Calamity be a shared facility it should be easier to expand the facilities if later there is a need for more Rooms of Calamity. If we instead had a Room made for each individual College it would make it harder to expand since we would then have to make new shared facilities, expand all eight equally or expand only for one College.
1. Unity: Many College facilities only work for a single wind but that's not the case for the Rooms of Calamity since they're magically neutral. We should take this opportunity to make a facility that's devoted to all the Colleges together to promote unity rather than encourage separation.
2. Efficiency: It's entirely possible that some Colleges will need the facilities more than others. For example the Bright College might have a high demand for Rooms of Calamity to train their battle-mages while the Grey College potentially has less need. By having the facilities be owned by all the Colleges they can be assigned as needed rather than risk having them be underused.
3. Price: It's simply cheaper to build the minimum amount of facilities required rather than build one for every individual College.
4. Expansion: By having the Rooms of Calamity be a shared facility it should be easier to expand the facilities if later there is a need for more Rooms of Calamity. If we instead had a Room made for each individual College it would make it harder to expand since we would then have to make new shared facilities, expand all eight equally or expand only for one College.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I strongly suspect the narrative consequence of doing this is "there is insufficient supply to meet demand." I assume every College already has magically-neutral rooms for training; the original question was phrased in terms of upgrading the existing ones, after all:
Remember, it's not just battle wizards who would want to use these rooms, but anyone learning a spell. Miscasts are an ever-present danger and screw up a lot of promising young Apprentices.
(Also, in the event we built a shared facility for all the Colleges, where would that be? There's no shared campus, all eight have their own corners of Altdorf. Real estate for wizards at risk of exploding into daemons seems likely to be in low supply, so you'd have to put it in a College's existing facilities.)
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- Actually pretty lost
1. Making everyone leave their own colleges and travel to this central location isn't going to promote unity, it'll just annoy people.
2. I don't think this is a real drawback? The rooms don't cost anything to maintain.
3. This is a serious point in favour of this idea. I feel that we're already at the point of considering expensive boondoggles to spend our favour, so we might as well do it properly, but you may disagree.
4. I doubt it will be easy, or even possible, to expand these rooms after they're finished and the runes have been applied. It would be easier to just build extra rooms if it came to that.