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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Robotninja said:
While true, even a good and kind person who is changed into a vampire almost instantly stops being good and kind. Vampires are monsters.
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Bull-fucking-shit. I am getting so tired of quoting rule books and in-universe sources at people like you. In WH becoming a vampire Does Not Alter Your Morality. Anyone who becomes a bad person after becoming a vampire is responsible for their own moral choices.
 
Lupercal said:
Bull-fucking-shit. I am getting so tired of quoting rule books and in-universe sources at people like you. In WH becoming a vampire Does Not Alter Your Morality. Anyone who becomes a bad person after becoming a vampire is responsible for their own moral choices.
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Well, the issue is that when they wake up after being turned they're basically immediately in a feeding frenzy for blood. Basically none of the newly turned vampires are able to stop themselves from eating any one near by. They have a whole host of new instincts running through their 'soul/body' which are absolutely monstrous.

Do they instantly become moustache twirling villains? Obviously not, on aggregate though I'd say his point isn't really wrong.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Well, the issue is that when they wake up after being turned they're basically immediately in a feeding frenzy for blood. Basically none of the newly turned vampires are able to stop themselves from eating any one near by. They have a whole host of new instincts running through their 'soul/body' which are absolutely monstrous.

Do they instantly become moustache twirling villains? Obviously not, on aggregate though I'd say his point isn't really wrong.
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Thats less turning evil and more being extremely hungry. Thats turning feral
 
It's easy for a vampire to be evil, and comparatively hard for them to stay good. That doesn't mean that they all automatically start growing a goatee and kicking puppies upon being turned.
 
I mean, What's-Her-Name, that vampire that showed up in Dynamic Alcoholism and was budy budy with Magnus The Fucking Pious is a canon character, so Good Vampire do exist. It just take, oh, a couple centuries of intense self control training is all. :rolleyes:
 
Deathwings said:
I mean, What's-Her-Name, that vampire that showed up in Dynamic Alcoholism and was budy budy with Magnus The Fucking Pious is a canon character, so Good Vampire do exist. It just take, oh, a couple centuries of intense self control training is all. :rolleyes:
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And surely there's no complication in having to cross multiple mountain ranges to get to the other side of the world. :rolleyes:
 
If you want a less ancient (because the Genevieve books are old enough that things have changed a lot) example of non-mustache twirling vampire, there's Ulrika from the Gotrek and Felix series.
 
Quite aside from anything else, accepting Genevieve as canon means accepting that Drachenfels is canon. Which is not a fun idea imo.

I'm not sure Abhorash is exactly psychologically stable either tbh. He doesn't need to drink blood, but he does go around seeking bigger and bigger fights, which isn't exactly normal either.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Quite aside from anything else, accepting Genevieve as canon means accepting that Drachenfels is canon. Which is not a fun idea imo.

I'm not sure Abhorash is exactly psychologically stable either tbh. He doesn't need to drink blood, but he does go around seeking bigger and bigger fights, which isn't exactly normal either.
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I mean, in the sourcebooks I've read, Abhorash also said he wanted to see humanity wiped out after Lahmia fell to Alcadizzar.

Maybe he hasn't put much effort into that, but he believed it.
 
Shadow Wizards, due to their various spells, find it very easy to be evil. Or at the very least amoral blights on society. Indeed a number of their potential arcane marks are outright inimical to being a normal member of society. This is why the Grey College has so much more stringent oaths and internal monitoring. They know how slippery the slope is and provide both the training and circumstances to keep each other on the straight and narrow.

Vampires have no college. Indeed the majority of people making vampires are emphatically opposed to their thralls being upstanding members of whatever society they were before being vamped. Nor would most societies give them the opportunity to even try.
It is not surprising that non-evil vampires are rare given such circumstances.
 
Omegahugger said:
And if there's one thing we know about vampires, it's that the dead stay dead around them.

With the right tools and a willingness to get your hands(soul) dirty, exsanguination is a fixable problem.
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Yeah, but I'm fairly sure the dragon would quite strongly object to both of the required steps to bring about such a conclusion. And unless the drowsiness has gotten to me even worse than I thought, this is a site that wants consent in relationships.
 
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