Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Greece
If we manage to become the first rainbow-magister,(no, I will never give up on Quaysh, no matter how much we get shadowdrenched) we may be able to convince people to let us out of it due to technically belonging in a brand new school. We'll be the de facto strongest human magician, and if we have a good record and sufficient backing, it may be enough to make people go "just give her what she wants, not doing so will cost us more in the long run, plus she is certainly not using dhar anyway and she has proven her virtue"
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Now I'm imagining necromancers dutifully trying to find ways to to funnel money to the Amethyst College without being caught.
- Location
- Norway
On the contrary, becoming a Black Magister means you're now under an absolute vow of poverty regardless of which order you were in before. This new vow is enforced by freelance adventurers, AKA "kill her and loot the body". Adventurers can be very thorough about taking all your stuff. They will loot things you probably didn't even think were lootable.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Look, the correct term is "Ranaldite".
This is a civilised forum, we don't use slurs like murderhobo or adventurer here.
- Location
- Finland
No i am not, because i am not characterizing him.
I'm pointing out the quite possible outcome, as has happened before.
- Location
- Earth
My main problem with the Great Library is that it will make no real difference in Mat's lifetime. It's the kind of thing that will matter if the Empire is burned to the ground again, or the Colleges are expelled, or there are more riots and crusades against knowledge.
But for the most part it will just be our own library, just a bit bigger, more accessible, better funded and longer lived.
I don't like that. A transcendental boon should not be spent on a library we can set up ourselves, or Wheel and Deal for.
I think we can set up a Library kind of thing for Umgi without spending a Transcendental Boon. You spend that on a library, and the dwarves will still be collecting and maintaining books in centuries. But it won't make much of a difference right now, or soon, except to attract some poor scholars willing to make the trip.
Like, you know what you should measure this against? Another tower like the Eye of Gazul.
Imagine making something like that, if with less dwarven hellfire, in Black Fire Pass?
Built atop the Booming Peak? It would close the pass and safeguard the south of the Empire from the Badlands like nothing else.
But for the most part it will just be our own library, just a bit bigger, more accessible, better funded and longer lived.
I don't like that. A transcendental boon should not be spent on a library we can set up ourselves, or Wheel and Deal for.
I think we can set up a Library kind of thing for Umgi without spending a Transcendental Boon. You spend that on a library, and the dwarves will still be collecting and maintaining books in centuries. But it won't make much of a difference right now, or soon, except to attract some poor scholars willing to make the trip.
Like, you know what you should measure this against? Another tower like the Eye of Gazul.
Imagine making something like that, if with less dwarven hellfire, in Black Fire Pass?
Built atop the Booming Peak? It would close the pass and safeguard the south of the Empire from the Badlands like nothing else.
- Location
- Virginia
[X] [WE] Scavenge the Gauntlet
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
[X] [ROOM] Vault
[X] [ROOM] Provision Room
[X] [ROOM] Shrine to Ranald
[X] [ROOM] Guest Room
[X] [LIBRARY] Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian), The Eonir of Laurelorn (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive), Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive)
[X] [COLLEGE] 5 favors for a full translation of the Cathayan books
[X] [DWARF] Have a Grandmaster Engineer have a go at the Stirland Repeater - 8 favors
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
[X] [ROOM] Vault
[X] [ROOM] Provision Room
[X] [ROOM] Shrine to Ranald
[X] [ROOM] Guest Room
[X] [LIBRARY] Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian), The Eonir of Laurelorn (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive), Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive)
[X] [COLLEGE] 5 favors for a full translation of the Cathayan books
[X] [DWARF] Have a Grandmaster Engineer have a go at the Stirland Repeater - 8 favors
To be honest the idea of making another Eye just somewhere else is profoundly unsatisfying to me from a narrative point of view. It feels like cheapening it, turning it from wonder and symbol to another weird weapon.
- Location
- Finland
We don't need a boon to build another doomtower in any area that is controlled by K8P, and we should not be building doomtowers anywhere that isn't.
Keeping it as a get out of jail free card has a danger of never using it and making it eat Belegar from the inside. (and what are people expecting to do to need it anyway?)
There are very real limits on what Belegar can deliver that we would want, and not be able to get anyway.
Library, is a big ass thing that Mathilde can use the boon for that we could not get without the boon, atleast not at the size lot of us are picturing.
Runeclad dreadnaught would be another decent big ass thing not easily gained, but also kinda unnecessary and expensive enough to potentially harm K8P.
- Location
- United States
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
You know? I think I'm going to relax on the boon not winning this turn, because even if we don't use it this time, the option that will win (wait until more money) is worded to mean that Mathy does plan to use it then. So people can't just keep putting it off, because putting it off or saving it for a rainy day are options and they are not winning.
next time it comes up we will have to vote for something, so I win in the long run anyways. 😁
next time it comes up we will have to vote for something, so I win in the long run anyways. 😁
Changing the Boon vote, I think the library is fine and don't fancy discussing this for months on end
[X] [WE] Economic Integration
[X] [BOON] I know just what to spend it on...
[X] [ROOM] Shrine to Ranald
[X] [ROOM] Guest Room
[X] [ROOM] Wolf's Room
[X] [ROOM] Gyrocopter Hangar
[X] [LIBRARY] Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian), The Eonir of Laurelorn (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive), Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive)
[X] [WE] Economic Integration
[X] [BOON] I know just what to spend it on...
[X] [ROOM] Shrine to Ranald
[X] [ROOM] Guest Room
[X] [ROOM] Wolf's Room
[X] [ROOM] Gyrocopter Hangar
[X] [LIBRARY] Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian), The Eonir of Laurelorn (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive), Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive)
I will point out that there are a huge number of voters who aren't very vocal in the thread, so any projection about what would actually be chosen is pretty much guesswork.
That said, my preference is to wait on using the boon until an idea comes up which would be worthy of it. I'm not terribly enthused by the library, and do not like the boat idea. I would not be opposed to trying to set up a branch college, or formal outpost... in 10 years or so. Too much to do before then.
[x] [WE] Hunt the Mountains
[x] [WE] Scavenge the Gauntlet
I'm happy with either of these. I don't really want the We's hunters going all the way out into the Badlands, and do think that letting them keep hunting at least a bit would be good.
[x] [BOON] I have no idea what to spend it on. Put the matter aside for now.
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
I prefer to leave it be for now, until things settle a little.
[x] [ROOM] Vault
Some things should be secure, but the Treasury is kinda inconveniently far away.
[x] [ROOM] Provision Room
Need enough food for doggo.
[x] [ROOM] Armoury
Worth having just in case. Not likely to be needed, but...
[x] [ROOM] Wolf's Room
Because doggo. If that isn't sufficient reason, I don't want to know you.
[X] [LIBRARY] Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian), The Eonir of Laurelorn (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive), Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive)
[x] [DWARF] No purchase
I don't feel like having a bunch of Longbeards yell at Gotri right now...
[X] [COLLEGE] 5 favors for a full translation of the Cathayan books
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Honestly, my main concern for the future is potentially having to talk Belegar out of doing something that might split the Karaz Ankor. Though, we might not need the Boon to manage that.
It'd be a risk. The thing with putting up a tower like that is that any mage who can use Burning Shadows can use it to kill tens of thousands of people at once, if conditions line up right. That's the whole point, and is a major potential security risk without a lot of safeguards. There's reduced risk at 8 Peaks, stemming from a lack of interest from Chaos Cultists, our presence, Gazul's attention, etc, but the farther north you go, the greater the risk of somebody using the tower that you wouldn't want to.
(Also, doing this required a steel pillar through the whole mountain. The only reason this was doable here is that Karag Nar has already been dug out)
- Location
- Greece
Sacrilege and heresy. Ranaldites do not use violence to loot, unless they are Protecting, like Mathilde. Even then, they tend to loot, then kill rather than the oppossite.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I mean, whatever is in there isn't stuff we're getting, though Belegar might ask us to look at some of it depending.
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
[X] [BOON] Save it as a trump card to exploit an opportunity or address an emergency.
[X] [BOON] I have no idea what to spend it on. Put the matter aside for now.
[X] [BOON] Save it as a trump card to exploit an opportunity or address an emergency.
[X] [BOON] I have no idea what to spend it on. Put the matter aside for now.
- Location
- Africa
[X] [BOON] Save it until the Karak is wealthy enough to afford my ambition.
[X] [BOON] Save it as a trump card to exploit an opportunity or address an emergency.
[X] [BOON] I have no idea what to spend it on. Put the matter aside for now.
[X] [BOON] Save it as a trump card to exploit an opportunity or address an emergency.
[X] [BOON] I have no idea what to spend it on. Put the matter aside for now.
Maybe we will. Mathilde is beloved by the Dawi. If Mathilde want some filthy elgi stuff the king may give it to her.
That depends. We are sitting on a lot of dwarf favor, if it's particularly interesting like say elf spell-books we could ask for it.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
[X] [WE] Scavenge the Gauntlet
I don't get the 'preserve the We culture' arguments cause what culture is there to preserve? The sort of hunter gather one? The how they act 'naturally' in the wild? Because if so that culture is already going to be overwritten since we voted to keep the We and not have them return to the wild.
I don't get the 'preserve the We culture' arguments cause what culture is there to preserve? The sort of hunter gather one? The how they act 'naturally' in the wild? Because if so that culture is already going to be overwritten since we voted to keep the We and not have them return to the wild.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
We should make sure to leave behind a will with a default boon in case we die unexpectedly. Would not want to leave him hanging.