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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Kornet said:
He also has a 'nopenopenopenope' mode, as demonstrated by brass sphere.

That's why he is a magister and is trusted with warpstone contaminated technology.
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Aha, that explains a lot.
We must have missed that lecture as an apprentice.
Probably caught up reading a really good bit in a romance novel the night before and plain overslept that mornings lecture on "Overwheening Ambition And You: Not Eating An Energy Field Larger Than Your Own Head 101".
(While Panoramia took actual notes in that one, but missed the miscast lecture.)

Edit: on reflection, the Brass Sphere very much falls into the "Punching It Doesn't Help" node, so it fits his model quite well as-is. :V
He's just wise enough to know that on sight.
 
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Alliterate said:
Aha, that explains a lot.
We must have missed that lecture as an apprentice.
Probably caught up reading a really good bit in a romance novel the night before and plain overslept that mornings lecture on "Overwheening Ambition And You: Not Eating An Energy Field Larger Than Your Own Head 101".
(While Panoramia took actual notes in that one, but missed the miscast lecture.)

Edit: on reflection, the Brass Sphere very much falls into the "Punching It Doesn't Help" node, so it fits his model quite well as-is. :V
He's just wise enough to know that on sight.
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Hey, we survived that little escapade, thank you very much, and damn near unscathed too. Both of them, even, though the Eye wasn't so much eating an energy field as wielding it like a giant sword... We've also delved into one of the deepest darkest books of necromantic lore in existence and came out with practically zero temptation for it, and singlehandedly broke a Waaagh field even without divine shenanigans. The lecture was probably unnecessary anyways.
 
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Overwheening Ambition And You: So You Want To Eat An Energy Field Larger Than Your Own Head? Good For You 101, by Prof. M. Weber.

"So, you want to channel the full might of a God- or steal it without their consent.
That's a fine thing, new magic for a new age.

Better hope you get the greatest runesmith of the age, and the Patriarch who has this as a speciality both giving their all on your divinely boosted deathweapon, rather than one of the ones that don't work.

In short, Luck. That's what works for me. I don't recommend being unlucky. Nothing good comes of that.

Thanks for coming. This course is assessed by the improbability of your survival."
 
Alliterate said:
Overwheening Ambition And You: So You Want To Eat An Energy Field Larger Than Your Own Head? Good For You 101, by Prof. M. Weber.

"So, you want to channel the full might of a God- or steal it without their consent.
That's a fine thing, new magic for a new age.

Better hope you get the greatest runesmith of the age, and the Patriarch who has this as a speciality both giving their all on your divinely boosted deathweapon, rather than one of the ones that don't work.

In short, Luck. That's what works for me. I don't recommend being unlucky. Nothing good comes of that.

Thanks for coming. This course is assessed by the improbability of your survival."
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Hey, she didn't have either of those when she stole from Mork, just her own god backing her up and an accidentally preformed counter-ritual to tempt Mork into using her body as an avatar while he fought his own brother... I'm really not helping my case here, am I? Although I can say that actually building the Eye was more a result of her accomplishments allowing her enough favour to pull both Kragg and Algard in on the project. Admittedly their actual contributions were a bit lucky, but they were always going to put something awesome in. I think. And she only had that influence due to being disgustingly lucky in her earlier escapades... You know what, I'm just going to stop now.
 
Ericwinter said:
Hey, we survived that little escapade, thank you very much, and damn near unscathed too. Both of them, even, though the Eye wasn't so much eating an energy field as wielding it like a giant sword... We've also delved into one of the deepest darkest books of necromantic lore in existence and came out with practically zero temptation for it, and singlehandedly broke a Waaagh field even without divine shenanigans. The lecture was probably unnecessary anyways.
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Honestly, I'm not sure why people thought the Liber Mortis was some kind of evil tome of temptation. It's practically a diary of a guy who delved into necromancy for all the right reasons, but still ended up completely insane and more or less destroyed what he had tried so hard to save, with Vlad von Carstein himself noting that the results were conclusive: no matter how talented or skilled, no human can safely use necromancy without going insane. If Mathilde became tempted to try out necromancy after reading through all of that, she would be dumber than a sack of rocks.

Like, I don't understand why it's not required reading for wizards who have any real chance of fighting the undead. It's practically the best possible lesson for "why you shouldn't ever use necromancy, even for the best of reasons, outlined in horrifying and tragic detail".
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Honestly, I'm not sure why people thought the Liber Mortis was some kind of evil tome of temptation. It's practically a diary of a guy who delved into necromancy for all the right reasons, but still ended up completely insane and more or less destroyed what he had tried so hard to save, with Vlad von Carstein himself noting that the results were conclusive: no matter how talented or skilled, no human can safely use necromancy without going insane. If Mathilde became tempted to try out necromancy after reading through all of that, she would be dumber than a sack of rocks.

Like, I don't understand why it's not required reading for wizards who have any real chance of fighting the undead. It's practically the best possible lesson for "why you shouldn't ever use necromancy, even for the best of reasons, outlined in horrifying and tragic detail".
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It offers immense and easily abusable power. That makes it an evil tome of temptation. Just not the sort that grabs your soul and makes you a necromancer on the spot for having read it.

And after seeing someone else's mistakes written out, there's a lot of people who will conclude "Well I'll learn from him and do it smarter", not so much because they're dumb, but because they think van Hal was the dumb/ignorant one. And von Carstein is obviously untrustworthy.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Honestly, I'm not sure why people thought the Liber Mortis was some kind of evil tome of temptation. It's practically a diary of a guy who delved into necromancy for all the right reasons, but still ended up completely insane and more or less destroyed what he had tried so hard to save, with Vlad von Carstein himself noting that the results were conclusive: no matter how talented or skilled, no human can safely use necromancy without going insane. If Mathilde became tempted to try out necromancy after reading through all of that, she would be dumber than a sack of rocks.

Like, I don't understand why it's not required reading for wizards who have any real chance of fighting the undead. It's practically the best possible lesson for "why you shouldn't ever use necromancy, even for the best of reasons, outlined in horrifying and tragic detail".
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A: What we have is the full, unredacted versions. Most of the ones available have "unneccesary" information cut out, like including all that.

B: Just because you know it'll end poorly for you personally doesn't mean you won't do it. Sure, it'll cost you your immortal soul and sanity, but if you can use the power to bring back that family of civilians you failed to save, won't it all be worth it? I mean, it's worth noting that Frederick did save the Empire from the rats, he just caused an evidently very survivable problem in the process.

C: ... I might just be projecting here, but who actually read all of the required reading when they were students? Like, an afterword by the authours themselves are the prime thing I would dismiss as unimportant, even if it actually is the most important part of the book.
 
Or you know because they legitamately have a fix for the issue that fucked him up. Not that i want us to use necromancy also i dont think mathilde could because shed be using Ulgu as her base and i doubt ulgu dhar can actually be used to power necromancy.
 
Also, there's always going to be that one person who thinks the rules don't apply to them and they can use dhar without going insane because they're 'careful' or 'special' or 'gifted' or 'blessed' or something. Or more likely, lots of people like this.
 
Yeah, I'm fairly sure Boney said spreading the Liber Mortis (And, by extension, the 1st/2nd Secrets) was a game-over scenario for the Empire. Every chump capable of even the slightest bit of magic could become an army raising monster.
 
NSMS said:
Also, there's always going to be that one person who thinks the rules don't apply to them and they can use dhar without going insane because they're 'careful' or 'special' or 'gifted' or 'blessed' or something. Or more likely, lots of people like this.
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Obviously Vlad just made up that note at the end because he knew any wizard with the Liber Mortis would be powerful enough to be a threat to him and he wanted to discourage them!

I mean, the only alternative is that he actually cared about one of his human acquaintances, and we know there's no way a vampire would do that.
 
Or wearing a belt that lets them juggle warpstone without getting tainted. Wearing the equivalent of sixty foot of lead as an imperceptible energy barrier is op. Obviously theyd still need to be a death mage as their base line though.
 
Andres110 said:
Is Mathilde better at necromancy than shadow magic?
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At the moment, no. She's not better at some magic she only knows theoretically than she is at the one she uses almost every day.

But with practice, she probably could be. The Liber Mortis makes battlefield capable necromancers out of mere apprentices, and Mathilde as she is now is only barely at that level. If we embraced Dhar, we should be able to make the last jump.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Let's take the existing developments in firearms and other technologies and make them much more widely accessible. We know dwarfs have repeating firearms with actual metallic cartridges--from there, making a Martini-Henry rifle would not be difficult. Mass producing them--and the ammo--would allow us to massively boost our firepower (and export said rifles across Karaz Ankor). We could attract some talent from Nuln, but also pass on the expertise for mass production to the Imperial School of Engineering at Nuln.
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Mass production of firearms cannot outpace mass production of ammunition. A lot of high rate of fire rifles are of no use when there's not enough gunpowder to make cartridges. And dwarves are currently stuck on hard to scale to mass production classic gunpowder from what we know.
 
Omegahugger said:
At the moment, no. She's not better at some magic she only knows theoretically than she is at the one she uses almost every day.

But with practice, she probably could be. The Liber Mortis makes battlefield capable necromancers out of mere apprentices, and Mathilde as she is now is only barely at that level. If we embraced Dhar, we should be able to make the last jump.
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Valaya is watching Mathilde through the rune, though. She dislikes Dhar, and is the dwarven goddess of carnal fertility. I have concerns that the pursuit of Dhar would be detrimental to Mathilde's romantic prospects due to divine intervention.
 
Ganurath said:
Valaya is watching Mathilde through the rune, though. She dislikes Dhar, and is the dwarven goddess of carnal fertility. I have concerns that the pursuit of Dhar would be detrimental to Mathilde's romantic prospects due to divine intervention.
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Divine interventions not favouring Mathilde's romantic prospects is precisely the reason we even have the ability to use Necromancy!
 
vsh said:
Mass production of firearms cannot outpace mass production of ammunition. A lot of high rate of fire rifles are of no use when there's not enough gunpowder to make cartridges. And dwarves are currently stuck on hard to scale to mass production classic gunpowder from what we know.
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Not really? Gunpowder is not that hard to scale up in terms of production. Certainly not when the demand would be high, thus giving large economic incentive to produce it.

Besides, I specifically said that part of the mass production would be for ammo. Regardless, it's not a popular suggestion anyway, so whatever.
 
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