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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Not taking unnecessary risks is a significant part of her character, hell not taking unnecessary risks with magic specifically is practically the 'miscast mantra'.
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I think you're thinking of battlemagic again.
I'm thinking of everything, battle magic has more risk of miscasting, but learning every spell comes with the risk of miscast and arcane marks, so why take it for what is at best very very niche spells and at worst utterly worthless?
... we are talking about the same thing right? the two non-BM spells, not the battle magic ones.
different as night and day.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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- In shambles
I'm not sure about the need to learn spells before going to Nagarythe; it's unknown if they will even teach magic, instead of a demonstration of interesting new ways to be horrible to people.
Both risk miscasts and arcane marks, true the risk for battle magic is much greater, but battle magic also has the advantage of actually being useful for more than bragging rights.
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I was responding to a guy who wants to learn "all of the spells on the list", which includes the battle magic spells. I thought you were arguing about the same thing when you responded to me.
But you're still wrong. Getting those couple extra spells is not worth it. We do not need them and they'd provide far too little help to justify the chance of destroying Mathilde's social life.
because the more we know the more we can learn. new spells are based on old ones, the towers are limited by the spells we know, we never know what way the future holds. etc etc.
I feel like there is a difference of value here, I believe in 'knowing for the sake of knowing'.
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The Many Hats of Mathilde Weber
A compilation of Mathilde's hats. I think I moved one post to make the connection clearer. And I actually have something to contribute for once, so I won't feel quite as deep a shame when people like this post instead of the talented, handsome, and all around fabulous people quoted below.
You should still go like them instead, though. This is just to avoid the red hair dye.
Exotic animal handler Mathilde: How did you even get spiderratpuppies?
Anton Friend Mathilde: Well, if anything in the Empire needs his touche...
Horse Racer Mathilde: That would be a dumb bet, but everything those two have gotten up the last few years have been dumb.
Assassin of Kings/Hardcore Security Tester Mathilde: It's sad that isn't totally implausible.
Skaven Expert Mathilde: Middenheim does have a rat problem.
AP Hell Mathilde: *screams externally*
You should still go like them instead, though. This is just to avoid the red hair dye.
Burial advisor Mathilde: Does he need Morr priests?
Exotic animal handler Mathilde: How did you even get spiderratpuppies?
Anton Friend Mathilde: Well, if anything in the Empire needs his touche...
Horse Racer Mathilde: That would be a dumb bet, but everything those two have gotten up the last few years have been dumb.
Assassin of Kings/Hardcore Security Tester Mathilde: It's sad that isn't totally implausible.
Skaven Expert Mathilde: Middenheim does have a rat problem.
AP Hell Mathilde: *screams externally*
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I think I'm just going to leave it here until the actual turn and then we can take it up again. we are not going to convince each other so we should wait for there to be others to convince.
That is not worth it in my mental calculus and calculus is the key word here. Let's break this down by math
The crit fail range is 1-5 so that's 5% on a 1d100
The crit success range seems to be 100+ (I could go with 95+ but I'm being generous) . With Mathilde's learning that is a 27% chance to crit succeed
So that is 5+27= 32 chance of miscast for each spell there's two spells so a 53.76% chance that we will be rolling on the miscast chart at least once. Worse than coin flip odds.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Of our unknown non-battle magic spells, Cloak Activity definitely could have use (and we partially know it anyway), while Shadow of Death is kinda eh. Not worthless, but for something like 99.9% of the scenarios in which we might want to use it Dread Aspect does everything it does but better. The unknown battle magic, on the other hand... definitely not now, potentially not ever. At minimum I'd want a staff, and preferably at least one other magic boosting trait, before going for that, and potentially not even then.
I just... don't care about the math in this case, Mathy is a wizard that's almost at the finish-line for non-battle magic, I think it would be worth it for her IC.
a person some times needs to take the risk to get what they have worked their whole lives for.
That is where you are wrong good sir! for you see it is Grombrindal who is this worlds Santa Claus. Traveling the world delivering victory to good dwarves and death to their enemies. He even is a semi mythological figure and accepts tribute for his services like Saint Nick, admittedly in alcohol instead of milk and cookies but that is to be expected among the dawi.
I would say she is indeed a person before being a wizard and two of those marks could destroy her self-image, a fact which she knows just as much as she knows orc chaopas can kill in the more literal sense.
ELVES: What? No, we don't give a fuck if you learned "Cloak Activity". Most of us never bother learning it either. Humans be crazy, yo.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
So, given the +27 Learning, that would be 1-10 to critfail and 73-100 to critsucceed on the roll? That's way too close to 50/50 for Cloak Activity, let alone a redundant spell.
A principle that almost plunged the Empire into civil war and sent 20-30,000 of his faithful and one of his Knight Orders to abandon the Empire for the Border Provinces?
Nothing's impossible, but it seems unlikely.
But she is also a perfectionist, that is also in her character.
SakSak
Unbound
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- The Cold Wastes of the North
Like, where do you get the idea that Mathilde's life goal has been to mechanically learn the standard common spell list of Ulgu (discounting the dozens or hundreds of minor or obscure or situationally limited spells that exist outside of it - a list to which Mathilde has already contributed with Matrix and non-improved MAP) instead of becoming a great wizard?
Additionally, what non-battlemagic spells are we missing, and what is the utility of those particular spells you are arguing for?
I agree, but when two aspects of her characters clash one approach is not really more IC than the other and other consideratiosn come into play, practicality, what we the voters what to see her doing etc...
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If I were coming at this from a tabletop standpoint, I'd love to pick up Shadow of Death to have a riot control dissuasion ability that doesn't inflict insanity points on people via Terror, but that's just me. Big difference between Fear's "Then the spooky wizard leaned over us Gandalf style and we just stood there in silence" vs Terror's leaving a puddle of villagers weeping on the ground wishing they'd never been born, haha.
Dread Aspect already got a pretty ridiculous buff in that Boney isn't also inflicting terror on all of our allies whenever we use it in combat. "That's our Mathilde!" massively outweighing the 'Oh Gods! What is this nightmare beast from beyond the veil that compels me to curl up into a ball and wait to die!" *Whoops the Orcs passed their terror tests and walked up to stomp all the catatonic people to death*
e: Like we have Universal Confusion, but that one's not so great if we need to stop a crowd. "Stop attacking those people!" *Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy roll of 41-60 on the chart* "Oh no now they're just attacking the person again! What a conundrum" 🧙♂️
Big difference between Fear's "Then the spooky wizard leaned over us Gandalf style and we just stood there in silence" vs Terror's leaving a puddle of villagers weeping on the ground wishing they'd never been born, haha.Dread Aspect already got a pretty ridiculous buff in that Boney isn't also inflicting terror on all of our allies whenever we use it in combat. "That's our Mathilde!" massively outweighing the 'Oh Gods! What is this nightmare beast from beyond the veil that compels me to curl up into a ball and wait to die!" *Whoops the Orcs passed their terror tests and walked up to stomp all the catatonic people to death*
e: Like we have Universal Confusion, but that one's not so great if we need to stop a crowd. "Stop attacking those people!" *Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy roll of 41-60 on the chart* "Oh no now they're just attacking the person again! What a conundrum" 🧙♂️
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Eh we risk getting marks every time we cast a spell, no point in not learning all of the spells.
Not quite, we risk getting marks every time we roll to cast a spell. For instance during the entire Battle of the Caldera when we did use magic for infiltration and in battle we never once risked a mark. The only time it could have happened was later on the first live firing of the Eye. While it is impossible to entirely remove the risk we can mitigate it to a significant degree.
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- Greece
I never said it was likely, just possible.
And the civil war is the lesser evil.
And the people closer to the ground aren't always privy to the grimy details.
I am, once again, not saying its likely, just that we do not know the full story. He is most likely a goober.