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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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NSMS said:
One thing I'm curious about: is this something the High Elves already knew? They've had huge amounts of experience with magic along with spellcasters like Teclis, so it's certainly very possible that they were aware of the nature of the Waaagh, but if that's the case why would a High Elf be sitting in on the lecture? Personal curiosity? Checking up on Teclis' experiment? A chance to vet Mathilde before she heads off to Naggarythe? Something else?
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Outside of Grom, High Elves probably deal with Greenskins less than most other stuff. They might not have had the exposure to develop this.
 
veekie said:
You know, I keep reading the abbreviation as Adult Video before the rest of my brain catches up >.>
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Naughty, yet appropriate

We don't want anyone to see us 'testing it', after all
HeWhoAdds said:
We should just sprinkle into our lecture that we hang out with Kragg the Grim

"...So, to learn more I spoke to Kragg the Grim, who, again, is my close personal friend..."
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"Or at least, he doesn't complain much when I call him that, which is basically the same thing-"
 
Awetduck said:
You mean duckling? Yeah I was gonna make a concealed carry joke about matty being in the NRA but figured that because we were talking only about appearances invisible did well enough.
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I clearly wrote duckling! It's written in my post. Anyone can see it! Did you just quote me wrong to make me look bad? Is it because you know I'll always be prettier than you? :V

<--- Someone who is enjoying being what amounts to a Mean Girl way too much.
EDIT: This is a sign that I should sleep.
 
HanEmpire said:
Did the elves get much out of the lectures? Wouldn't they already have this kind of information?
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It is sort of relying on insights we got from mugging Mork, the orcish god who might possibly predate the creation of their species.

You can spend a lot of time getting beaten up by or beating up a machine, but you can't guess the specifics of its internal combustion mechanisms unless you actually get it on the slab, as it were, which no orc would ever consent to helping you with.
 
Guile said:
"Or at least, he doesn't complain much when I call him that, which is basically the same thing-"
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Runesmith: *stands up, points accusing finger* "BULLSHIT! He's never answered a single one of my letters, and you say he likes an umgi like you better than that?! IT CAN'T BE TRUE! Kraaaagg, where did I go wrong?! What should I do?! I always dreamed of making beautiful runes with you! KRAGG-SENPAI I'M SORRY!! I'LL SHAVE MY BEARD AND SEND IT TO YOU AS A GIFT JUST FORGIIIIVE MEEEE!!!" *runs and dives out of a nearby window*
 
taovkool said:
[X] Agree to meet the Ar-Ulric.

I actually kinda forgot that the Ulricans were a thing. Remind me what the problems with them again?
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Standard religious bias against Magic (not unwarranted), bias against equipment and weaponry that requires an industrial base due to a doctrine of self sufficiency and reliability, possible meta-Wolf related things (pack mentality, "alpha-beta-omega" relations though unlikely), long tradition of a hot blooded warrior culture which implies meaty thew heads but isn't strictly so.

Oh, and they have Divine Werewolves. I think. I don't recall seeing a source for them so it might be a fan thing.

There's also religious/political strife between Ulricans and Sigmarites, beyond the current mess in the Quest, but that ranges from a friendly rivalry between worshipers of two different Warrior Gods in the same pantheon to actual civil war. I think it boils down to both sides thinking themselves superior than the other side for [reasons] while having incompatible sections of military doctrine. Also which one should be the Head God of the Empire.

NSMS said:
One thing I'm curious about: is this something the High Elves already knew? They've had huge amounts of experience with magic along with spellcasters like Teclis, so it's certainly very possible that they were aware of the nature of the Waaagh, but if that's the case why would a High Elf be sitting in on the lecture? Personal curiosity? Checking up on Teclis' experiment? A chance to vet Mathilde before she heads off to Naggarythe? Something else?
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On that same note, if anyone had the magical mojo to go head to head against a Waaagh field rather than finessing it, I'd assume it would be the Elves.
 
Glau said:
Ok, so I realized that if this is about the Ulrikadrin, we've already had this conversation from the other side. It confused us and we made some commitments, so let's look back:



Loyalty to the empire in question, with the strong hint of a false figurehead. *Someone* was claiming to speak in the empire's name, and it was one that Wulfhart disagreed with but couldn't push back on. This seems to point to his doubts about Al-Ulric, and very definitely implies an agenda. Probably one greater than strife with Sigmarites, as I don't think there grandmaster would have disagreed unless something nasty was tied up in it. Also, this was his opening gambit. He was expecting to be hit immediately with disloyalty charges, and was trying to get out in front.

What, technically, are the Ulrican knights sworn to?

Next, the justifications for going with the dwarves. First, implications that the dwarves were disliked broadly where he was coming from; this was not a first choice option. And he immediately levels himself down: he's feeling guilty about something. The bit about honoring or dishonoring as allies is also interesting.

Followed by the relief in the choice of enemies. Implications are that he has gone to battles, at the order of his nominal superiors, against those he didn't really consider enemies with 'allies' that he thought dishonoured them.

So our string of 'say-nothings' told him that A) the empire did not consider him and his traitors, B) we agree that he chose a path that let him keep his honor and loyalties intact, instead of setting this as fleeing his responsibilities. Very validating, probably let him sleep a lot better at night.

So looking back, he was probably worried the empire knew he was at whatever battle, and considered it treason the side he was on. The fact he left and took his people with him says that repetition was expected, and he didn't feel like he could 'switch sides' for his honor, he had to bug out.

This says that the Al-Ulric is probably compromised, at very least by contacts and allies that could be considered treasonous. And that, we should be worried about.
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This seems a plausible, solid reading between the lines on what happened that made canny political operator Ruprecht move his Knightly Order the hell out of the Empire.

If it is so, and it's more than just prickly knightly honour at being asked to fight alongside those he looks down on... then it's possible that whatever the Ar-Ulric is looking for in this meeting isn't good for us, K8P, Ulrikadrin, or the Empire.

SaltyWaffles said:
All indications point towards this meeting being above-board and being about something significant. Either he wants our advice, our help, or to get our perspective on something before he actually takes action. My guess is that our actions with the Ulrican knights in the Expedition left a very good impression, and our actions in Slyvannia cemented it.
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Not all indications. If the Ar-Ulric is not in fact acting in the interests of the Empire- and there is certainly circumstantial evidence that at least one of the major Cults isn't- getting ensnared won't be in ours, either.
I hope Algard isn't inadvertently dropping "the worst kind of news" in ours laps to 'handle' like we did the Necromancy College... :V
"Best kind of news, Algard! I purged the Khornites from the church of Ulric. Started at the top this time, for a change of pace, and worked my way down the organisation chart.
...I mean literally, he was very tall."
veekie said:
It also occurs to me that for the Ar Ulric to ask for Mathilde's cooperation with getting Ulrikadrin back in line they'd ALSO have to explain some of what the hell is going on as part of the persuasion and why is everyone keeping quiet to the point that Algard has limited information on what the fuck.
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Again, much of this presumes good faith on the part of the Al-Ulric. If Ruprecht was on the level, honourable and justified in his actions, it doesn't paint a pretty picture of the Cult of Ulric leadership. It's a short list who can order a Knightly Order Grandmaster into a fight he doesn't like.
das_slash said:
I have the feeling we are going to learn something nasty about the Ulricans.
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Could well be. There are some reasonably benign possibilities, but I'm very prepared to be disappointed.
Miffychan said:
[X] Agree to meet the Ar-Ulric.
- [X] Bring a few Nice Dwarves With Hammers.
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Stop! Hammerertime.
 
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veekie said:
My guess:
-Ulgu - Major Pro Little Waaagh, Minor Con Big Waaagh
-Aqshy - Passion is very much the lifeblood of a Waaagh, so probably fairly favorable to either, but more so to the Big.
-Azyr - Repellent to both. Waaagh no like philosophy.
-Hysh - Not a clue. They operate similarly enough that it could be a matter of orientation.
-Shyish - Somewhat repellent to both. Waaagh seriously not into fatalism, but they do mete out plenty of death, so I doubt the energy is entirely incompatible.
-Ghur - Probably favorable to both.
-Ghyran - They're fungi so...maybe?
-Chamon - Strongly repellent to both I bet. The Waaagh really does not like logic.
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Of course, this leaves the questions: How does Dhar interact with Waaagh and how can we use it to our advantage?

Thankfully, this is something we can test next time a Shaman comes by.
 
wrecksalot said:
now,now, mathilde is too short to be even an alpha legion marine, but she could be one of their mortal agents.
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How do you know she's short? Have you ever seen her? Measured her height while verifying she wasn't using an illusion? :oops2:

How do you know she's not standing behind you right now? Laughing?
 
I am weirdly intrigued by what that singular Runesmith got out of it all.
Even more than all the other odd ducks, including the elven ambassador, since at least that guy was already in town and presumably uses the magic tradition ours was based on.
 
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Walliseatscheese said:
Standard religious bias against Magic (not unwarranted), bias against equipment and weaponry that requires an industrial base due to a doctrine of self sufficiency and reliability, possible meta-Wolf related things (pack mentality, "alpha-beta-omega" relations though unlikely), long tradition of a hot blooded warrior culture which implies meaty thew heads but isn't strictly so.

Oh, and they have Divine Werewolves. I think. I don't recall seeing a source for them so it might be a fan thing.
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The Children of Ulric appear in the Old World Bestiary, though with the caveat 'if these beings actually exists this is what their stats would look like'. Because if they do exist that would cause major religious friction, people mutating into man-animal hybrids does not have good connotations in Warhammer
 
Pipeman said:
I am weirdly intrigued by what that singular Runepriest got out of it all.
Even more than all the other odd ducks, including the elven ambassador, since at least that guy was already in town and presumably uses the magic tradition ours was based on.
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He is going to charge his anvil's ancestor runes off Waaagh? Quick, we must research the snake juice! We must be first!
 
Pipeman said:
I am weirdly intrigued by what that singular Runesmith got out of it all.
Even more than all the other odd ducks, including the elven ambassador, since at least that guy was already in town and presumably uses the magic tradition ours was based on.
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Runepriests apparently interpret other magical powers as rhythms or vibrations, rather than objects or motions, but we included runesmith metaphor translations, so hopefully they'd get something like the ability to jump into the Orc Shaman's bass section and do their own cool guitar solo.
 
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