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So for a rough estimatino of next turns obligations:
We finish a dictionary (minimum 1 action here, I think).
We do something with Qrech.
We help diplomize the Dragon (its urgent, and only we can do it because of language barriers. Alternatively, it might be best to find/hire someone who speaks classical, as that way the treaty will make sense.).
 
[ ] Seeking adventure as the second coming of Nagash, searching for ways to overcome the final enemy of life. (you won't actually write this on the paper, but choose it if this is what you want Mathilde to do)
I just saw this option in turn 17.5 and am bamboozled it did not win. @Omegahugger's failure began there.
 
We help diplomize the Dragon (its urgent, and only we can do it because of language barriers. Alternatively, it might be best to find/hire someone who speaks classical, as that way the treaty will make sense.).
They might easily sleep for the next fifty years while the drau... dwarves are training. I'd say we don't hurry unless it's actually urgent.
 
He succeeded, but if he hadn't the main army sounds like it would have been in major trouble, and them getting defeated means the dark elves get to kill everybody's homelands, so it's debatable.
But he did succeed, and it was not like he was an inexperienced new recruit, he knew war and thus his decision was informed.

Accepting the disciplinary hearing would have been equivalent to saying "Yes, it does not matter how much tactical or strategically relevant information you have, you should always follow orders even if it means literally ignoring the army flanking your position and massacring your people".

Success can excuse all sorts of mistakes, that the actual outcome was less important than following orders means that this was just a power tripping chair general demanding his ego be stroked, because his bigly brain brain will always know more than his nation's Subutai/Hannibal/etc.

Also I like Asarnil and thus the elves are wrong :V
 
Success can excuse all sorts of mistakes, that the actual outcome was less important than following orders means that this was just a power tripping chair general demanding his ego be stroked, because his bigly brain brain will always know more than his nation's Subutai/Hannibal/etc.
That's nice to say, but if everybody believes it you might as well not have a general. He won, but how likely was it? Command is the art of deciding what to do in order to influence the future to have the highest likelihood of success; if one of your subordinates tries something with a ten percent chance of victory (and the cost of maybe destroying your entire army if they fail) and expects to get off because they beat the roll that just encourages everybody to try that, and nine times out of ten no, they will not actually succeed.
 
So basically he did nothing wrong.
He pulled out a military force mid campaign without orders, while everything went well his actions could have resulted in a major defeat as he either opened up a flank or failed to be there to provide reserves, wandering off mid campaign can backfire horribly.
 
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That's nice to say, but if everybody believes it you might as well not have a general. He won, but how likely was it? Command is the art of deciding what to do in order to influence the future to have the highest likelihood of success; if one of your subordinates tries something with a ten percent chance of victory (and the cost of maybe destroying your entire army if they fail) and expects to get off because they beat the roll that just encourages everybody to try that, and nine times out of ten no, they will not actually succeed.
And that applies to the general population, not to Asarnil, who again, was proven right.

But this was not about Asarnil being right, it was about he showing that the king was wrong, at this point the king could either accept that his people are more important than his ego and reward him (while having a private discussion later) or decide that his own ego is more important than the lives of his subjects and that his word should never be questioned, even when wrong.

It's like firing your security guard for leaving his post to stop a terrorist attack, nothing but a power move to protect your fragile ego while ignoring everything about what actually happened.
 
And that applies to the general population, not to Asarnil, who again, was proven right.

But this was not about Asarnil being right, it was about he showing that the king was wrong, at this point the king could either accept that his people are more important than his ego and reward him (while having a private discussion later) or decide that his own ego is more important than the lives of his subjects and that his word should never be questioned, even when wrong.

It's like firing your security guard for leaving his post to stop a terrorist attack, nothing but a power move to protect your fragile ego while ignoring everything about what actually happened.

Asarnil chose exile because he considered having to justify his actions to be unacceptable.

Edit: In your example, it would be the security guard quitting because he got asked to justify why left his post.
 
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And that applies to the general population, not to Asarnil, who again, was proven right.

But this was not about Asarnil being right, it was about he showing that the king was wrong, at this point the king could either accept that his people are more important than his ego and reward him (while having a private discussion later) or decide that his own ego is more important than the lives of his subjects and that his word should never be questioned, even when wrong.

It's like firing your security guard for leaving his post to stop a terrorist attack, nothing but a power move to protect your fragile ego while ignoring everything about what actually happened.
Except if my understanding of the events is correct Finnubar hadn't even made a mention of disciplining him. He asked for Asarnil to show up for a meeting (presumably to get some answers) and Asarnil said "What? You have the temerity to ask why I didnt follow orders instead of giving me a parade?" and then chose exile. Who knows if Finnubar was even going to punish him? Not Asarnil cause he didn't even bother going to meet him.
 
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He pulled out a military force mid campaign without orders, while everything went well his actions could have resulted in a major defeat as he either opened up a flank or failed to be there to provide reserves, wandering off mid campaign can backfire horribly.
Could it? Because Asarnil didn't think so and he was right.
And what's the point of having an Asarnil level general if his experience and tactical knowledge should always be superceded by your (no longer relevant) orders?
 
He won, but how likely was it? Command is the art of deciding what to do in order to influence the future to have the highest likelihood of success; if one of your subordinates tries something with a ten percent chance of victory (and the cost of maybe destroying your entire army if they fail) and expects to get off because they beat the roll that just encourages everybody to try that, and nine times out of ten no, they will not actually succeed.

His chance of defeat wasn't the problem, him not supporting main army was. Finubar with the main army marched on the main DE force and counted on dragons being here. When dragons weren't at the rendezvous point (because they were fighting DE raid in Caledor), Finubar cancelled the attack to wait for them. If main DE host had better intelligence and attacked Finubar during that time, HE army would have been defeated. That was why Finubar was furious with Asarnil.
 
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His chance of defeat wasn't the problem, him not supporting main army was. They marched on the main DE force and counted on dragons being here. When dragons weren't at the rendezvous point (because they were fighting DE raid in Caledor), Finubar cancelled the attack to wait for them. If main DE host had better intelligence and attacked Finubar during that time, HE army would have been defeated. That was why Finubar was furious with Asarnil.
Well, the calculus was the same, the roll was just elsewhere.
 
Could it? Because Asarnil didn't think so and he was right.
And what's the point of having an Asarnil level general if his experience and tactical knowledge should always be superceded by your (no longer relevant) orders?
If you think playing the lottery is a bad idea, and Asarnil plays the lottery and wins, does that mean he is "right" that playing the lottery is a good idea?
 
Asarnil chose exile because he considered having to justify his actions to be unacceptable.
And it was, a complete travesty that was.
Except if my understanding of the events is correct Finnubar hadn't even made a mention of disciplining him. He asked for Asarnil to show up for a meeting (presumably to get some answers) and Asarnil said "fuck no there's a parade going on right now I don't have to listen to you" and then chose exile. Who knows if Finnubar was even going to punish him? Not Asarnil cause he didn't even bother going to meet him.
In elf, "come for a meeting" can also be interpreted as "prepare your backside for a vigorous spanking", and also "you mother like gopher, how are biscuits?" But that was slightly less likely based on context.
It's a funny language like that.

But really, I get the point, the original " :V " should have made it clear I am an Asarnil fan.
 
When the guy in charge of the army calls you in to ask why you disobeyed orders, you don't get to act indignant and pretend you're being wronged. Finubar did the right thing by trying to get answers, what should have happened is Asarnil comes in, explains the situation, and Finubar is somewhere between grudging acceptance and open praise thanks to Asarnil's decision. Asarnil flipped the bird instead, and now people with more money than sense can hire a dragon to unproblem their problems.
 
And it was, a complete travesty that was.

In elf, "come for a meeting" can also be interpreted as "prepare your backside for a vigorous spanking", and also "you mother like gopher, how are biscuits?" But that was slightly less likely based on context.
It's a funny language like that.

But really, I get the point, the original " :V " should have made it clear I am an Asarnil fan.
I have to say I have no idea how to parse that second phrase o_O.
 
His chance of defeat wasn't the problem, him not supporting main army was. Finubar with the main army marched on the main DE force and counted on dragons being here. When dragons weren't at the rendezvous point (because they were fighting DE raid in Caledor), Finubar cancelled the attack to wait for them. If main DE host had better intelligence and attacked Finubar during that time, HE army would have been defeated. That was why Finubar was furious with Asarnil.
The DE force that attacked Caledor had to come from somewhere, however. So the main DE army was probably about as weakened by detaching it as Finubar's army was from the loss of Dragons, and didn't intend to attack. It was a distraction that Finubar was falling for and it left Caledor open.
 
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Except if my understanding of the events is correct Finnubar hadn't even made a mention of disciplining him. He asked for Asarnil to show up for a meeting (presumably to get some answers) and Asarnil said "What? You have the temerity to ask why I didnt follow orders instead of giving me a parade?" and then chose exile. Who knows if Finnubar was even going to punish him? Not Asarnil cause he didn't even bother going to meet him.
That sort of sounds like Finnubar's preferred interpretation of events.
 
Asarnil's life would probably have been happier if he had been capable of swallowing the extremely minor injustice (from his POV) that he was going to be asked to swallow. That is, having to listen to his ruler question his actions and being forced to explain himself and maybe even have his ruler not entirely be convinced and give him a stinkeye (the horrors). I mean, I can't imagine he enjoys being an exile where everything sucks and nothing is as good as being at home.

How very dwarf-like of him.
 
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