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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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deathofrats0808 said:
Elves are quite literally the origination of the concept of knighthood in Warhammer world.
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Intriguing, say more? Especially if it would play into the background a Bretonnian knight would know.

Horium said:
Athel Loren, for all intents and purposes, is an outright, if a relatively minor Warp Realm. And the Asrai decided to attach themselves to it.

There's no place left for friendship inside them due to the sheer overflow of lunacy.
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Now that seems a smidge propagandistic. They fight against beast herds and chaos invasions, right? And the Lady has a downright benevolent relationship with the humans! ;)
 
Redshirt Army said:
Y'know, we don't necessarily have to talk to the Elementalists ourselves to get the info.

The Bright Order has been described as being largely composed of the pre-Teclesian Fire Elementalist tradition, so they could have a bunch of elemental lore, and what they don't have themselves they could probably more easily trade for than Mathilde "Diplomacy 11" Weber.

There might be something about Earth Elementals in the Jade Order too? It was described as being largely composed of druids, but the emphasis on nature and earth makes me think some of the earth elementalists might have signed up too during the founding.

Certainly spending a bunch of College Favor to have the Brights/Jades do it sounds a lot easier than doing whacky disguise shenanigans to steal the Elementalists secrets for ourselves.
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If the Bright and Jade Colleges probably have some Elementalism knowledge, what are the odds do you think that "Elementalism" is just outright a Magic Topic that we can buy books on for our Library?

We bought books on the 8 winds, on Sevir, on the Warp itself, and so on... What about Elementalism? Might be the first magic topic we'll spend to get Esoteric books on.
 
veekie said:
WoG on this: Elementalists are more stable than non-College mono-Wind spellcasters, but less so than College mono-Wind spellcasters.

Their instability is greatly overstated, the difficulty is finding someone Kragg trusts to work with.

Personally I figure we got a perfectly good avenue of investigation: hit up books on elementals, study it with Windsight.

No need to make it our official job or rush it, Kragg fully intends to spend centuries on this.
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'More stable than non-College mono-Wind spellcasters' is like saying 'more stable than a barrel of nitroglycerine on the back of a donkey climbing a sheer cliff'. Non-College mono-Wind spellcasters are not mono-wind by choice and knowing the other winds are dangerous but by circumstances, they mostly do magic in a mindset associated with a specific wind. As soon as those circumstances change all hell breaks lose, sometimes literally.
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
Depending somewhat on editions, time, and authors, the Asrai and Bretonnians actually get along. So it's more like the Wood Elves just hate the Reikslanders.
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My understanding is that they have consistently been aggressively isolationist. With variations mostly being if they would give trespassers a warning and a chance to turn back before killing them. But beyond that their attitudes towards others has varied wildly throughout editions.

So I think its at least fair to say they are prickly, and don't reliabley get along with many people.
 
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The Healing of the Mountain
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    • A shrill whistle split the air. Daidar carefully sealed the last gap in the stonework as the piercing sound faded down the tunnels. With steady hands he prodded the stone that sealed a small cave entrance. Well, it had been more of a crack than an entrance, but no sense in letting any snotlings sneak in. It looked sturdy enough, but he would come back later to make sure.

    It was a short jaunt through the winding goblin carved passageways to reach the staging ground. At one point it may have been a beautiful balcony, but orc and goblin apathy had robbed it of any grandeur it once had. Maybe one day it would be beautiful again but more important work existed now. The halflings had managed to coax together a decent sized fire on the protruding stone and the scent of warm soup was a welcome reprieve from the viscera and blood that littered the halls behind him.

    The halflings working the fire looked ready to keel over at any moment. Daidar didn't blame them. It had been a long day so far even for dwarfs. Tomorrow was likely to be even longer though. It took a while to get a bowl but soon he was cooling the steaming soup. The halflings may not be dwarfs but they sure knew how to cook. Several minutes after he had started eating his soup a craggy voice broke the silence.

    "All right," Sregit said, "the teams at Karag Yar sent word that they need more dwarfs to help seal that damnable tunnel the skaven carved. Is anyone finished with their hallways?

    Daidar hummed around his soup before he spoke up. "I'll do one more check on my work before heading over."

    "Good to hear," Sregit said, "Noldraid is running things over there. I'll let him know you're on your way. Anyone else soon to be finished?"

    Daidar listened with half an ear to the chorus of reports as he gazed across the starlit caldera. He could see pricks of light blazing forth from the blackness of the mountains. All sharing the same moment of respite. It was a strange feeling. Knowing what those pricks of light meant. Yesterday, he would have wondered what fresh horror was lurking on the mountains.

    But now, he wondered how many dwarfs had shared this same view with him. How many had sat where he sat and gazed across the same caldera? What sights would they have seen? Would they have seen pricks of lights as well? Of apprentices who carefully prepared for their craft? Of taverns were songs were sung and glory was shared? Of smiths striving to finish a project?

    It was hard for him to imagine. To think of what his ancestors would have seen. It had been so long ago in a different age. Maybe he just needed more time with the view. To watch as new apprentices carefully prepared for their crafts. To see the lights of new taverns as songs are sung. To listen to the hammering of new smiths striving to finish a project. It would never be as grand as what his ancestors saw. But, it felt nice. It felt nice to think about what pricks of light a year from now might mean.

    With a soft clatter Daidar set his empty soup bowl down. Of course to see those lights they would need to live through tomorrow. There was still work for tonight.

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    Another piece for the Omake throne. Please critique as it makes me a better writer!
     
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    • Given that we rolled best for how long it'd take the orcs to get here, we might get reinforcements from the Ulrikadrin if Well Then is anything to by. They'd only be able to fight on foot but that's still a bunch of knights. Or maybe they can also ride horses as well as wolves, so we might have proper cavalry if we have enough spare horses.
     
    Redshirt Army said:
    Asarnil is like the opposite of chill. He had the choice of saying sorry or facing permanent exile and he flipped them the bird and flew off because he was absurdly prideful even by the standards of Caledor, which is itself considered absurdly prideful by the other elves.

    He's probably up there as one of the most prideful beings on the planet.
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    For those not in the know:
    During DE invasion of Ulthuan ~200 years ago Asarnil (who was famous war hero already) was in command of Caledorian dragonriders. He was given orders to link up with main HE force which was marching to battle with last big DE army (it was the end of the war and HE were winning after Teclis punted Malekith into the Warp). He got news that another DE detachment attacked Caledor, so he took his forces and repelled this assault. When he returned he expected to be hailed as a hero, but Finubar didn't appreciate him disobeying his orders since it risked the whole army. Then things got crazy: Finubar summoned Asarnil to him (presumably to demand explanations, there was no talk of punishment yet), but instead of doing it Asarnil was like "Disciplinary hearing instead of parade? Fuck you, I'm not your subject anymore". Finubar responded that if he isn't his subject than he has no business being on Ulthuan so he can either submit to his rule or fuck off into exile. Asarnil chose the latter.
     
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    Glau said:
    Intriguing, say more? Especially if it would play into the background a Bretonnian knight would know.
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    Basically Bretonnia is where most of the old elven colonies used to be. So the humans from Giles' time were living in a lot of very pretty looking ruins and took a lot of their inspiration from High Elven Silver helms.

    Now to say that High Elves are where chivalry comes from is a bit over stating it a little. They are, perhaps, the original genesis of the idea but what it became later is more Giles and the Lady adding into it.

    On a side note. Dwarves tend to be arrogant fuck nuggets as well, they just tend to get better press being that most of their holds are right next to human lands. Even then they're not beyond the odd bit of assholery depending.
     
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    Durin said:
    not the halflings
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    Quinsberry Lodge
    The Lodge doesn't wish to perpetuate the stereotype that Halflings are criminals, but on the other hand, if there is organised crime in a city, then Halflings deserve just as big a piece of the pie as any Big Footer.
    [...]
    The Council in that city counts among its members "Bloody" Jacob Rumplewheat, leader of the Resurrection Brotherhood, a syndicate of very successful Halfling bodysnatchers. The Council is also quite aware of the many illegal goods traded at Odfast's Pipehouse.
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    Also kept secret is just how often the Lodge involves themselves in these practices, not to mention other behaviours, which, at least on the surface, seem counter to Halfling interests. For example, more than one Halfling inn- or shopkeeper has gone broke because the Lodge has forbidden him to sell to human customers or to raise his prices to a profitable level. More than one businessman has been "asked nicely" not to pursue his ideas for expansion or opportunities for great wealth because of some obscure deal the Lodge has made—or claimed to have made. And more than one Halfling has noticed that, all too often, it is the members of the Council who seem to receive the largest financial benefits from these back-stage arrangements. Of course, those who have suffered cannot voice their concerns, because the Lodge will instantly label them as troublemakers who refuse to support Halfling business and destroy all hope of them ever making a profit. If censure doesn't work, then the heavies can be called in.

    The Lodge dislikes such messier extremes (things go so much more smoothly when everyone works together) and it hates to involve human parties (why hire human thugs when Halfling thugs sit idle?)
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    Andres110 said:
    Quinsberry Lodge
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    We've got to take great (... pun not intended) care to not let that take root here in the K8P. Black markets are fine, but protection rackets like such needs to be stomped down.
    Edit: Then again, an issue with racism towards halflings likely won't be much since this is a multicultural place under Dawi rule.
     
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    Asheram said:
    We've got to take great (... pun not intended) care to not let that take root here in the K8P. Black markets are fine, but protection rackets like such needs to be stomped down.
    Edit: Then again, an issue with racism towards halflings likely won't be much since this is a multicultural place under Dawi rule.
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    I'm sure they'd never hit the heights they did in the empire. Dwarves tend to take a rather more.. short.. view on such things if we're honest. Still, likely best to keep it as small an issue as possible.

    ichypa said:
    I suppose that if anyone would know, it would be Tyrion77. :V
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    Been a fan of high elves since i was 12 and i picked up the warhammer grom vs eltharion main box. Aka, Warhammer 4th edition.
    Ah love me my shiny elves.
     
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    Asheram said:
    We've got to take great (... pun not intended) care to not let that take root here in the K8P. Black markets are fine, but protection rackets like such needs to be stomped down.
    Edit: Then again, an issue with racism towards halflings likely won't be much since this is a multicultural place under Dawi rule.
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    Depending on interpretation, the lack of racism could provoke the Lodge, like what happened in Dynamic Alcoholism. They like to think they have a monopoly on halfling interests, and can take it poorly when others advance them.
     
    thamuzz said:
    Depending on interpretation, the lack of racism could provoke the Lodge, like what happened in Dynamic Alcoholism. They like to think they have a monopoly on halfling interests, and can take it poorly when others advance them.
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    If the lodge is aligned with formal halfling leadership, they won't act out. If it is not aligned, Muggins got thousands of fieldwardens to suppress the lodge with.
     
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